victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
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3081 posts
3/7/2008 10:56 am
飢餓 -- Starvation



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My dear elder sister, [blog nanimiel] in her recent post, [post 138836], might seem on its face to be humorous, but it indeed raises many issues in search of solutions. In the past few months I seem to have gathered a group of intelligent friends I feel who are up to the challenge of providing their own solutions to the problem of food distribution.

How would you attack this problem? What are the solutions to solving starvation in the Third World. A curious girl wants to know.

I share my view with you.

google " inequitable food distribution to 3rd world countries"

There are many sources of information as to why there are so many starving people in the world. While some might fault the Americans for being so self-centered that they don't know about the rest of the world, in reality they are the most generous of all the nations when it comes to sharing with those in need.

However, that sharing, often does cause problems because local politicians often insist on invoking their sovereignty in the controlling the food distribution chain. And then there is the added cost of corruption and the siphoning off of the needed food supplies by those who handle the shipments of food. After all, who is going to miss a few sacks or boxes from each truck as it passes through each checkpoint.

However, there is also another cause for this creation of malnutrition in parts of the Third World. For example, U.S. tobacco companies are moving many of their farms from the U.S. to places like Africa and Asia where there is less government oversight and an abundance of cheap labor. This is an incentive for many cash-poor farmers to switch over from food crops to raising cash crops.

Another factor is the development of new strains of seeds that increase the production yield per acre/hectare of grains. This comes with a price since the hybrid seeds need to be purchased from the seed distributors. Whereas in the past, all the farmer had to do was save a portion of his harvest as seed stock to be replanted the next year, he now must also save from his earnings enough money to purchase these seeds.

But the greatest factor in developing nations is the emergence of the factory farm. In the lean years when many farmers were forced to sell their meager land holdings to purchase food, land speculators consolidated these holdings to create farms that produced grains for export to other nations in order to obtain hard currency. This naturally flowed into the pockets of the power elites.

Perhaps the greatest obstacle to self-sufficiency is the lack of the necessary infrastructure to bring water and electricity to the rural communities that need it most. We often hear of drought in Africa, yet the great river routes still flow to the sea. Imagine, if great dams were built to create vast reservoirs of water supplies that could be channeled to drought stricken areas and the by product of electricity used to power an industrial system that feeds on the natural resources found in Africa, maybe in one generation we would not longer be talking about starvation in Africa.

Another example of the side effects of the creation of dams is the creation of new micro weather generators. Imagine if you will, a series of vast lakes of water created by these dams stretching across Africa. Hot air as it flows over these lakes absorb the evaporated water and carries it to the mountains that separate Africa from east to west, and in the upper part of the continent, north to south. As these moisture laden clouds rise over these peaks they are forced to release their captured moisture. This water in turn flows back into these damns. The greening of Africa would also rejuvenate the planet's ecosystems' ability to create oxygen.

But if change comes, we know it will come with a tragic price in the form of pollution. In some areas, the deforestation of the green belt that produces the oxygen we need to survive, the most basic of all our needs. Not to worry because technology is available that is able to take human and industrial waste and convert it to the oxygen we need through the breaking down of the carbons into their basic components.

What is the price that needs to be paid for this? It would need a new sense of what is African nationhood based on the European Community model of shared assets and open borders. Of course, this would also means the elimination of traditional tribal rivalries that now fuels much of the violence in Africa.

If the Americans were to take the lead in creating such an African Union, they would be viewed upon as neo-colonialists. Of course, there is the existing AU but it is merely the meeting place of the intellectual elites who would rather raise their voice in debate then to return to fields to raise a spade of earth to grow hope.

My opinion

Vicky

James00733 51M
40 posts
3/15/2008 12:40 pm

'Of there is the existing Au...' Yes there is and it is the only one one that will ever be there and it is up to them to unify themselves not anyone else's business.
'People don't care 'bout people in thier own cities..'Well that's the place to start, I have many african people in my city, refugees from Sudan, 1 I lent $500 to fix his car, which didn't even exist, 'I crashed it again', never got a cent back. Don't get me wrong I love those africans I really do, they are most of my friends at work, they come up to me and say 'we're your family' but you should dig your own backyard before your neigbours'. Charity is in
the heart not in the wallet.

As for China being a good example...One party system? Follow the money? 40 million own citizens killed since the END of the war?


hotcold3333
(timmy )
57M
116 posts
3/11/2008 5:23 pm

there is just not enough to go around, vicky for you and me to drive a round in our new car some where in the world someone must carry a big load on threr back
whay you mite ask well there is 100m barrel of a Oil a day pumped form the ground so if one divides the up equally between the 6 billion people in the world would give everybody 5 pint of oil a day to heat there house plant and harvested there food


touch213 70M

3/10/2008 4:47 pm

    Quoting victorylee0516:
    NIK & MR. HICKOK

    I really enjoy readingy your comments. A lot of the jokes I post are copy and pasted from many different sources. In fact, many are copies of copies and are located in so many different pages that it is difficult to give due credit.

    As for copy and pasting from Wiki and not crediting, no big dear since Wiki was set up to share information. I use that a source a lot of times.

    As for what Mr. Hickok did, it was very informative and saved me a lot of time.

    Besides, we are not academics here and normal rules of engagement don't normally count. To me it's no big deal.

    So cut the B.S. and keep on educating.

    vicky
Right on !!!!!!!!!!!!!


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
42F

3/10/2008 11:11 am

    Quoting  :

NIK & MR. HICKOK

I really enjoy readingy your comments. A lot of the jokes I post are copy and pasted from many different sources. In fact, many are copies of copies and are located in so many different pages that it is difficult to give due credit.

As for copy and pasting from Wiki and not crediting, no big dear since Wiki was set up to share information. I use that a source a lot of times.

As for what Mr. Hickok did, it was very informative and saved me a lot of time.

Besides, we are not academics here and normal rules of engagement don't normally count. To me it's no big deal.

So cut the B.S. and keep on educating.

vicky


touch213 70M

3/8/2008 11:10 am

are people discussing.. the logic's of realism in life conditions of the food and life format process, or..is this the spectrum of asserting academic credentials.. I find that entertainingly interesting.. but, it's cool, if that's what floats the boat..

but, reality factors continue to be the element that is and will be of matter. and that is " economic power, capitalism, and the power of what is currency"..

and when and as money dominates.. the confounding of world condition will be .. just that.. "confounding"... and it will alway .. resolve in a capitalistic world.. to be the same premise.. of " follow the money, you will find who is welding the power.. and when the power engages and money flow.. people will be despaired, in one place to prosper people in another place..

the world will never rid itself of that.. as long as there is such a thing as " the ruler and the ruled.. the leader and the led... the rich and the poor.. and as long as we live based on a monetary system as our premise of what is progress and who is progressing.. this will continue to be the cycle... and egotisms of measurements will flow with the same cycle of accord...

Poverty will not be eradicated.. if the improvised are elevated to have means, that implies that the existing wealthy will become more wealthy... it's just a higher level of poverty, that feeds a higher level of opulence.. money is it's own goddess.. it seeks to beget itself, and it has no regard for the means by which this is engaged.. nor does the holder's of it care much about what is below their level of focus.. as long as they remain in a position to look down and not look level at it.. and by what ever means that it can contrive and convert, it will continue in that pattern..

these cycles continue and over time they find may pattern changes.. and shifts of where the wealth may reside, but it will continue to be what resides at the center of the cycle...

go and look at the valuation process of world currency and what how it's pegs and flows ... it tells it's own story..


touch213 70M

3/8/2008 10:41 am

excellent info contained in the posting.. but .. when it's broken down in it's simplest form.. it comes to .. "economics".. then mix that with political pursuits, political will and political corruptions, as power does corrupt, and when that corruption happens at the top of systems , organizations and governments, it directly impacts and effects and thus affects the lives not just of the people but of the nature that is brought forth in and upon those lands.. and the managment and displaced management of people..

We too easily forget that .. Africa, for example has been a continual battle ground of dominance seeking by every nation that has been able to sail a ship to it's shores or cross land bridges to get there..

if we look back at history it's been a long mass of streams in and out of Africa that span the globe in every conceivable direction.. The history of the Ancient African explores and traders have been a mix blend of much.. but it also brought back to it's shores a mixed blend of much..

there is no other Nation on this Planet, which has endured as many commercial encroachments and pursuits of dominance and line drawing and regional fund and shift program that has kept a successive process of policy shift engaged.. fueling more and more ever rising rebel factions from within factions when the money infusion flow in interjected...

some may care to look on a ecological aspect and think of the agricultural potential and what other potentials that exist, but to look at such and negate the nature of external monetary influences.. the picture will show only things that seek blame and claim .. fights and battles of re-claim and change of claim.. and in the interim, the land gets depleted and the proceeds from those resources are carted off with the ship load and train chains that are in constant flow.. and the people are then left in the middle of political and disrupted social processes.. old weapons given to one group then to the other.. and yet the forces that feed this chaos retain the power by the sheer principal that the world is dominate by the powers of wealth and it's manipulative powers and the cycle of it's redistributions.

China makes a good model for how Africa can find it's path.. but it's can't do what china did.. and that's close it's borders.. the times are far different and the forces that prevent it from closing it's borders is far different.. during the time when China closed it's borders, it basically had to just remove the ruling power, which was the British, because British has already fought off the other powers, and when they got the British out, they could successfully close it's borders and go into internal house cleaning and re- structure by a one system policy and program and it took them 30+ years to get that in some semblence of being a unified force, at may years prior to the 30 years it was weak in it's ability to even defend in the ways that it can today.. nor did it have economic power to speak nor dictate policy to anything around it, or across the seas.. but .. being closed , it found a way.. to organize and assimilate it's people into a unifying support of what is China. during the late 60's and into the 70's it slowly began to make it's international deals to slowly prepare for the introduction of external industry and building of a machine of economic capability, by the late 80's it had acquired various methods to began to expand rapidly and thru the 90's it opened it's doors, and by the time it regained it's marquee port of Hong Kong, it was then ready to take center stage into a open flow re-emergence .. as a industrial power.. it lost a lot but it gained a lot, but the process is moving now so fast, because of what...?? " economic power< and that economic might is now eroding within it's borders by it's own people the eradication of the farming and replacing that with economic production, and thus it is creating a cycle itself of diminished food production but high output, textiles and etc...but at some point , under it's own control and it's own power, it has to find the taper point, to become a balance of industry and farm production for it's masses, or it will become part of the same game played by other nations.. and that's exerting it's economic power and quest for dominance in seeking to secure cross border land grabs and resource gathering.. just like the other countries.. have been doing for years..
now unto Africa this is yet another player in the game, seeking what other's have been seeking for the past few hundreds of years.. and that's stake holding, which by the premise of such, means instabity to the nation of Africa which will not make it any better in seeking to stabalize and become it's own controllers of it's land, it's resources and it's people.. and the only progress and development that will come , is that, which is foreign structure to meet the sole purpose of exporting it's resources back to such lands that invest in this constructions.. and the people of Africa will continually be utilized without recourse to have the means to direct and build it's own course, it has not nor can it amass the wealth on it's own to do so, because there are far too many factors, that have the ability to destabilize any region that seem to appear that it might remain stable beyond some short term span of 10 years.. but even in that, the stability is a sham of sorts, that is only stable for the region who funds the government, for the good of what it can utilize that government to do or produce for it's gains for the external party who funds this...

this cycle is nothing new.. but it's often overlooked by the scholars who probe all nature of summations to support their lack of regard for what is world economics and the powers of economic and the ground levels that it infiltrates... so much goes to the claim to blame the people when the people have not the power to even have self determination when the wealth of the world bears down upon them.. by more avenues than one can even envisage.. as a result, the cycles of ethnic cleaning is engaged by the nature of what capitalism invokes, and thus people are continually relocated to the desolate and non fertile lands... and then considered to be less than .. on the productive scale, when their means have been curtailed thru process and money's power. these are categories that many care not to even engage in thought let along consideration for the sake of understanding what is and how it is and why it is...
so the focus is about hypothetical what if's... with a quick claim of blame , rather than see the facts that are the facts, of the simple premise of.. "FOLLOW THE money"..


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
42F

3/8/2008 2:24 am

    Quoting MrHickok:
    Oh, boy. What a subject and where to begin? Is there a real, true answer? Of course, this is pure conjecture from my perspective. I won't use google as a resource.

    For Centuries Africa had been colonized by the Europeans. Only recently have the African nations been granted an independence. But, is it independence? No. The colonizers are no longer the Europeans but the Americans and the Chinese. Each nation is making an attempt to gain a foothold on the Continent. A "cold war" of sorts for the resources of the continent.

    The super powers prop up whatever government, regime, suiting their own self-interest. These governments, to maintain power and control, encourage ethnic rivalries. They govern by intimidation and fear which often cascades into violence. Corruption is rife and a standard part of government. Do the powers of the world care? No. Do the world's powers care African government's only interest is in maintaining power and control by whatever means? Their focus is only diversion and not building an efficient means of governing to best benefit their people. And, we the super powers, care not as long as our own interests are preserved. No matter how much aid is offered it's not effective and won't be unless and until there are stable governments.

    Governments seeing the people, their countries of paramount importance. Not the simple maintaining of power, the of national resources and treasuries.

    The genesis of a thought and surely not a complete one. But we are all responsible.
Mr. Hickkok

We academics are sheltered within our walls of academia that to prevent us from dealing with reality.

I had dinner this afternoon with my Ph.D. advisors regarding the progress for my preps for starting my post-doc in July. Partly it is because I will be gone the month of August but that is ok, too.

But getting back to starvation in the world, one of my former professors joined us and his speciality is African studies. He agrees the root problem is poverty and then need to eliminate poverty. Then he launches off into how to best solve the problem. Of course I am brain dead cause I'm not really listening but just smiling and nodding my head and trying to eat my dinner before it gets too cold.

And then he tells me he goes to Africa during the school breaks to work on rural banks, based on the model where people borrow small amounts to start a business and pay it back as they earn more money. And, I asked, how to keep them honest and not run off to spend it elsewhere. Tribal law. So sometimes the old customs are good way to implement the new.

I learn new things sometimes if I keep my eating and listen.

Just my opinion

VICKY


maijin2 60M
10453 posts
3/8/2008 1:14 am

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victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
42F

3/7/2008 8:51 pm

    Quoting pickledpigspheet:
    My résumé has the following preamble for my objective in life and career:

    "Solve world hunger, otherwise will be fully contented with bringing the Internet to everyone."

    With that out of the way, I agree with the WHES report that the root cause of hunger is poverty. I wish to add that the root cause of poverty is the lack of political will, leadership and pragmatism. China was extremely poor before the "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" mantra was espoused by Deng and executed faithfully by his successors. The capitalistic ingredient in the recipe, in my opinion, contributed to China's rise as an economic power and helped her stave off poverty and starvation. Staving off versus starving (pun intended). The lack of pragmatism in a way has led North Korea on a path of hunger and subsequently starvation, despite the close geographic proximity to China and South Korea, neighbors which enjoy some of the most outlandish and grandiose dining habits the world has ever seen. There is so much food wasted in the cities of these two countries that will put the U.S. to shame. How did China evolve from a nation on the brink of starvation to one that is producing most of the world's rice crop, for both domestic consumption and export? And in a short space of 30 years.

    Perhaps, Africa and India can learn something from this near-miraculous turnaround. U.S. agriculture lessons are helpful but do not pragmatically apply to very poor countries in Africa and South Asia. Moreover, knowledge, technology, best practice and free market principles all fall apart if the root cause is never alleviated nor removed from holding the issue at bay. Another way to is start all over from a clean slate by letting poverty in cahoots with hunger do the culling. But that's too inhumane. Yet, it's also inhumane to overpopulate this planet with mouths we cannot effectively feed.

    Thus, I beg you. Please refrain from having sex.
Advise well taken and will continue to heed as I have done so for the past 25 years, 9 months, xx days.

VICKY


pickledpigspheet 53M
104 posts
3/7/2008 5:33 pm

My résumé has the following preamble for my objective in life and career:

"Solve world hunger, otherwise will be fully contented with bringing the Internet to everyone."

With that out of the way, I agree with the WHES report that the root cause of hunger is poverty. I wish to add that the root cause of poverty is the lack of political will, leadership and pragmatism. China was extremely poor before the "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" mantra was espoused by Deng and executed faithfully by his successors. The capitalistic ingredient in the recipe, in my opinion, contributed to China's rise as an economic power and helped her stave off poverty and starvation. Staving off versus starving (pun intended). The lack of pragmatism in a way has led North Korea on a path of hunger and subsequently starvation, despite the close geographic proximity to China and South Korea, neighbors which enjoy some of the most outlandish and grandiose dining habits the world has ever seen. There is so much food wasted in the cities of these two countries that will put the U.S. to shame. How did China evolve from a nation on the brink of starvation to one that is producing most of the world's rice crop, for both domestic consumption and export? And in a short space of 30 years.

Perhaps, Africa and India can learn something from this near-miraculous turnaround. U.S. agriculture lessons are helpful but do not pragmatically apply to very poor countries in Africa and South Asia. Moreover, knowledge, technology, best practice and free market principles all fall apart if the root cause is never alleviated nor removed from holding the issue at bay. Another way to is start all over from a clean slate by letting poverty in cahoots with hunger do the culling. But that's too inhumane. Yet, it's also inhumane to overpopulate this planet with mouths we cannot effectively feed.

Thus, I beg you. Please refrain from having sex.


touch213 70M

3/7/2008 3:01 pm

in many area of African nations.. people are moved about by political factions and continual policy shifts, that bring fighting and re-locations in the last 20 years, they have been so violently disturbed, in the nature of policy shifts, it has led to even more brutal regimes. They have harmony only for a matter of years, until another policy shifts comes.. and, this is often times fueled by outside influences, but either way the stability factor is never with any certainty...
One point,then the next shift comes, the point is something else, and it shifts between being... one time it's gold, then, it's some other precious material or, some land that another cares to speculate upon, and seize or thru war making factions intimidate the people to the point they can't work the land.... Recently, it has become Oil.. and the people, as a result, are left unstable by this flow in and out of power and it's corruptions. The change of paths of "MONEY" are continuous... they cannot stay stable long enough to develop generational ecosystem, which could aid agricultural progress.. this has plagued African nation for the past 200 years..maybe even longer..

You are most certainly correct about other countries, that devote their land to "cash crops'.. from coca plants to the opium poppy..and the land grabs and the industrial factory farms.. the small farmers can't compete with the big factory farms equipment and massive land tracts..and mechanized processing. this current drive now for the corn growing for fuel has taken over some farm lands.. and south america continues to have so many power factors of rebels that people can't be safe farming so they give up and work for the factory farms.

here in the south, they use to have an abundance of corn, tomatoes and various greens and peas and beans and etc.. grown, along with massive cotton fields. "THEY ARE GONE" when I ride my bike down country roads, it's even rare to see cattle in a field, and many field are not for vast long distances, nothing but just grass, even pecan groves over grown and the pecans just grow and fall to the grown never to be harvested..
during the past summer, I did not see much corn for sell, as fresh from any local farm, the tomatoes never seems to go below 2.40cent..this is , year round.. and fresh fruit now average in some places over $1 per pound.. I paid today, $1.00 for three tiny lemons, but the large ones were $1.79 per pound. it's so ironic, because I had a lemon tree in La, that grew so many lemons it was outrageous that I could not even give them away as fast as they grew..
today no one wants to farm nor raise animals for a host of reason, but everyone is looking for factory jobs, or some office work or working two jobs in dollar stores. now the circle K and 7-11 have become the desired jobs of many..

food production is now a issue in many ways, the general products we get now are hybrid.. and they are continually searching for ways to change them even more.. so we don't know what we get.. and we have diseases today that have names longer than two sets of alphabets..
I read one article that discussed the fishing, and how certain sectors were depleting the seafood rapidly in various region by their large shipping factories that catch and process it without ever coming to port..

But with the controls now on land, by government, major corporations, war lords and rebel factions of every sort.. it may get far worst before there is any changes... if the changes come they may not be to the advantage of the average citizen..
I hear many people in the south .. talking about how many hundred acres their family own, yet no one in the family farms not even a single tomato plant..


victorylee0516
(victoria lee)
42F

3/7/2008 1:24 pm

OH, i am now using the english grammar and spell check in MS word. I used to use the Dragon Dictate and never tried to correct it, just posted the way it came out.

But some people suggested that it would be more interesting if I tried to be more understandable.

Not too worry cause you knowing sometimes I just getting too excited about something that I just reverting back to the same ways I was doing be fore and you know that is not correct way doing but you know is sometimes I too lazy going back correcting cause if you really wanna understand me what I saying then you will take time to reading harder and harder until you have the headache and then BINGO you gonna knowing what i saying, right? But in actuality it not really the best way commuicating unless some guys wanting me to be the ding-bat asian girl they always thinking about and then WHAM!!! BAM!! SHAZAM!!! I'm MIRACLE GIRL, able to jumpiing tall moundains of B.S. sterotype.

Just my opinion

VICKY