swallowtsui 51F
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3/16/2006 6:13 pm

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3/22/2006 2:08 am

Zen 2 - If You Love, Love Openly

From "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones" Compiled by Paul Reps

20 monks and one nun named Eshun, were practising meditation with a certain Zen master.

Eshun was very pretty even though her head was shaved and her dress plain. Several monks secretly fell in love with her. One of them wrote her a love letter, insisting upon a private meeting.

Eshun did not reply. The following day the master gave a lecture to the group, and when it was over, Eshun arose. Addressing the one who had written her, she said:"if you really love me so much, come and embrace me now."

"Will he?"

"Will you?"


pelham621 52M
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3/16/2006 9:37 pm

depends what type of man he is! if he is lustful and weakminded he will feel guilty and capitulate..... but if he is good hearted, smart or even cunning, he will be inwardly taken back by the moment but then realise that to embrace her (in a friendly fashion) is the only positive course of action.
as for would i?!....... yes, because at least i get to touch and smell her up close!!! but i'm a bad boy!


swallowtsui 51F
1431 posts
3/17/2006 8:13 pm

Under this monk and nun circumstance, which they studied and practised hard to reach the non-desire summit, "if you really love me so much, come and embrace me now." means destroying the current belief/life and embrace the risk of building a new one.

Will you guys still?


swallowtsui 51F
1431 posts
3/17/2006 8:17 pm

And from my understanding to the text and to woman, while shaved head and plain dress Eshun came up with this brave question, she was willing to the destoying and building. She's courageous.

That monk and you guys I dont know. Because we have different body and different mind.


Sunflower569 58F

3/18/2006 12:44 am

"if you really love me so much, come and embrace me now." The nun was a little numb. First, love does not need to be solarized so that every body knows they are in love. Second, the nun needed to know who the hell wrote that letter and to sense if he could also arouse her erotic imagination of his body first. Third, if the nun knew who wrote that love letter and if the guy loved her, she could wait for his seduction patiently. "Love is patience"! She is not so smart.


Sunflower569 58F

3/19/2006 12:05 am

I need to appologize for my too fast reading. I should have known that the nun knew who wrote that love letter.