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US need better understanding of China/Chinese - In American Eyes I did not know they could not view the BBC site.. -extracted fm Touch's comment on my post "how to blog" Touch, and American friends, for you... US needs better understanding of China By Alexander Killeffer (chinadaily.com.cn) A country of cat- and dog-eaters poised to take over the world in a matter of years. Perhaps this is the image that comes to mind for many Americans when they think of China. After two months in the nation's capital, however, I can tell you that most of what the U.S. thinks about the country is a bit off the mark, to say the least. My time in Beijing has taught me many things about China and its people and, while far from being an authority on the subject, I can say with relative confidence that I have never indulged in any feline or canine delicacies during my stay here, nor have I seen anyone else do so. Cat eating is said to be much more popular in the Cantonese-speaking provinces of the south, particularly in Guangdong, while dining is said to be most popular in Korea. While both animals may be consumed in scattered places throughout the country, including some specialty restaurants in Beijing, in the nation's capital, at least, the practice is far from commonplace. Indeed, you're far more likely to find Beijing diners feasting on ducks' feet, ducks' heads, crawfish and snails. Of course, a country cannot be judged on the basis of its cuisine alone, especially when the rest of the world may be forced to eat it in just a few years, right? Not exactly. While it's true that China, as hard as it may be for Americans to stomach, seems destined to be the world's next global superpower, skittish U.S. diners may have more time to digest the news than they think. Although some experts estimate that China's economy will become the world's largest as early as 2030, a myriad of obstacles stands in the country's path. For example, the age of the Chinese population. Add to that the economic disparity between the coast and the rest of the country, a host of environmental problems, and the fact that the government will have to juggle all these issues while sustaining and controlling breakneck economic growth at the same time, and you've got a tough roe to hoe. Another aspect of China that Americans often misunderstand is its relationship with North Korea, especially in regard to that country's nuclear ambitions. In the opinion of many Americans, China should either be friendly enough with their Communist brethren to convince them to disarm or strong enough to force them to. The fact of the matter is, neither is completely the case. China's ties to North Korea, first off, aren't as cozy as many Americans might imagine. While it's possible, though somewhat difficult, for Chinese to visit North Korea, for example, their counterparts across the Yalu River and the Yellow Sea have a much more difficult time leaving their shores. Following the Korean War, Chinese characters were essentially eliminated from the North Korean language, and despite decades of relief and aid from Beijing, North Korea simply does not seem to want to listen to its Chinese neighbors. Theoretically, China could force Pyongyang to listen, but, unlike some other countries, persuasion via military might does not seem to be its style. For their part, the Chinese don't understand what America is so worried about. "How can a nation that can barely feed its own people afford to go to war?" they ask. Plus, if any country should be concerned about getting a nuclear bomb dropped on it, it should be China, practically in Pyongyang's backyard. As much as America enjoys criticizing China's relationship with North Korea, it is perhaps even fonder of lambasting its government, especially for what it sees as the CCP's internal corruption and its control of the country's media. Here again, however, the U.S is handing down opinions on a topic it isn't entirely informed about. While it's true that there are certain things you can't write about, certain places you can't go and certain terms that you can't search for on the Internet, for the most part, the government isn't nearly as controlling as Washington and the U.S. media would have Americans believe. I was able, for example, to view the New York Times in its entirety online everyday. Of course, by U.S. standards, any infringement upon individual rights is automatic grounds for a public outrage, but in China, different standards apply, and for good reason. Consider this, in the past 100 years China has witnessed the end of dynastic rule (essentially the only thing it had known its entire history), foreign invasion and occupation, civil war. The U.S. has suffered only one of those atrocities, civil war, and it is viewed as perhaps the singular, most horrible event in the nation's history. Imagine that, plus all the Chinese had to go through, crammed into a period of less than 100 years and you begin to understand why the Chinese accept their government the way it is at present. China was once a powerful nation, under the Tang dynasty, from 618-907 A.D., it was the cosmopolitan Mecca of the Far East, and unlike most once-powerful nations, it has a unique opportunity to return to the top. Chinese people are hardworking, intelligent and extremely friendly to foreigners and, rather than point out their shortcomings, the U.S. should applaud their progress. Rather than hinder China's return to its former glory, America should help it along the way, if not out of sheer good will, then simply so that once it does inherit the reins of world power we will be its friend and not its enemy. |
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8/21/2006 9:51 am |
These are very good facts.. and the change is definately a continuing movenment.. the last 3 leaders of china have made many natures of progress..It's not easy to change the direction of the vast amounts of people in the flash of a moment, but it has been done by the leaders who have had their long term reigns, and the next leaders will take it even further.. if you even look at the pictures of the leaders, and note the change in their general attired appearance.. it shows a change.. The wealth of China, is poised to take a greater stand than the wealth the Japanses weilded during the 1980's... China has long range goals.. and the open door policy in their business is makeing great strides in the world.. China now holds so much of american securities, that if it withdrew it's money the US would have on hell of a struggle to adjust.. Yes, there are controls.. but as I was reading about Guandong, that the region is very much transistional and find ways to continue to push the envelope of change.. no matter how the regulations are put forth.. and this is and will also be true of many other parts of China.. I would gather that the curtailment on what is allowed is in part the nature of the system, but it is also noted that the people know how to circumvent the controls to gather what they feel they want to gather of info.. the more the FChinese business man travels about the globe, the more change they will bring back to their country.. IN 25 years.. it will be a very different world.. it's alrady a different world in the major big cities of china, and in 1998 when China regained soverinty over Hong Kong, that was a leap that is yet to be understood by the western world in full.. because it brought all the knowledge and info that the chinese needed into their sturcture of governing.. they are able to manage two system of governing.. and to blend capitalism with Marxism and confusionism.. so they have a triad of dimension to their governing style... and that makes ways for a lot of progressive changes .. and they can to a greater extent manage the transisiton in all of the dimensions... and that will ultimately be their stong point that the rest of the world may well not understand... their dedication to education, and their ability to adhere to programs and policies .. will be something that will propel them even further.. It won't be long before they will own the markee companies of the world and the markee properties all about the globe.. or they will own a heavy precentage of such.. No nation stays on top forever, and the US had it's reign.. and there will be another country to take the lead, and it may well be china, or it may well be India.. but between the two.. they both will become very very dominant world powers.. sfo we just as well accept the reality now.. instead of being with any shock and awe.. As for N. Korea.. they will have no choice but to make change,, but when they do make the change.. it may well mean more in the big scope of things, because they have made very good use of technology in their prominent sectors.. and once they get the industry to join in the capatilist movenment, they will forge ahead of the game at breakneck speed.. so... we can just aw well get prepared for a different world.. I know nothing about the dog aqnd cat for dinner things.. but .. there are people about the whole of the world who eat lots of things.. I was reading about the Cambodian who dine on 'water snakes" for a lot of their meal.. in one region... so.. who knows there are probably regions still people may eat things that we never thought anyone could or would eat.. but .. it's not so much about what they eat.. it's about how the produce.. and what of business they build and stabalize.. because the world is all about business.. even the war's that go on.. are really about business and commerce.. when the British fought the US before the US gained independence, it was always a thought to the British, that they had to concern themselves with continuing cocmmerce.. Look at the US relations with Vietnam now.. it's about commerce. and with Japan.. after all the hell of World War 2, it became all about business.. on both sides of the equation..
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8/21/2006 10:05 am |
Very well written. Well written enough to be presented as an academic thesis. There is so much Truth in your words, supported by both history and sentiment. For the reason you cited above, is one reason the world fear the reunification with Taiwan, for that would gave China a real Great Leap Forward in economic progress.
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This is a very interesting blog. It's fair to say that most americans have no understanding of the Chinese people at all. Isn't it also true that most Chinese people have not understanding of americans too. If we judge a whole country by the actions and policies of it's government then we miss out on the most important aspect of them. It is the quality of the people that counts the most. I don't judge people by what they eat, where they live, or what kind of government they have. I have to agree with eclecticgourment. "Just as HK Chinese have bought the best real estate in Canada , the Russians are doing it in London...so unless the first world review the right to property ownership in their own doorstep they might find the Chinese and russians buying up all their best homes, their industries..that sort of economic control is far more potent , more legitimate and perhaps all for a great cause." To add to this I speak of the american indians who had this country literally stolen from them. Many tribes and nations in the US now have casinos raking in millions of dollars a day. With this money they are slowly buying up the land that was theirs in the first place. A wonderful bit of irony there. It could be if we all owned pieces of each others country we'd be less likely to miss judge and stereotype each other. I like to think of all the things we could do together as a world of one people.
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8/21/2006 3:46 pm |
On the point of criticism.. it's more of awareness of constrictions that critical of the over-all.. It actually amazes me that variations of restrictions on content is with such blocks.. But.. I do feel that they are open in many ways according to the progressive steps that must be engaged and will be engaged. but beleive me.. it's been a lot of such in America.. our text books never talked about black contributions, it was college before I took a course in Pan African American studies, that many of the contribution of black was brought to discussion, during my formative education years, there was nothing in our classroom books about black to any positive nor contributory depiction. I entered managment in the early 80's and had my position taken and directly told that it would be given to a white guy, I've gone thru legal issues with the EEOC validating my claims, and recently.. just had an executive position snatched from me, after I was called and offered such, and maintain a long term relations with the CEO..but one individual has derailed that, which again.. I have to go thru legal channels to deal with this. So America has still some very severe problems.. and racism is fully engaged at some levels, as Davinci, mentioned, there's a great deal of tokenism that is within the corporate and media of america.. and that's truly no different from a level and nature of censorship, and probably much worst, because the lack of and the omission of. by acts of many sorts.. is a gross violation of human rights and the diginty of individuals.. so.. While this country may be contrite in their actual engaging human rights and equality, it really has not much room as a country to tell other countrie's how to do this or that. As for censorship .. we in many ways just as well be censored, before cable and internet all we got was the American version of the world..talored and tapered to propagandize what ever they want any way they want to.. But we now have the option of getting news from other sources.. Now even though I am amazed at what may be withheld from disclosure within the system of China, I also think the American so called openess also expose too much of things that maybe should not be so overly exposed and highly emphasised.. as a result.. there is much of a chaos in many things and dimension of the so called American model. I spoke about china and the need for help to the flood ravaged regions.. but then I must too contrast that with the Katria event in New Orleans.. it was a city with a 60%+ black polulation and that resulted to be the worst managed disaster in current day America.. so by no means do I think America is some beacon of true rights and full equality.. because it is very far from that.. I anyone had noted a posting In one of the blogs I wrote .. that depicted.. the things some states are doing to try and rid their state and city of immigrants.. and if you go back in the early 1900's.. what they did with the drug propaganda.. that was targeted at blacks and hispanic..as a way to further the segeration stigmas.. We have now.. an angry white population in many ways.. (not all).. but they are upset about jobs and many things.. but .. if they think carefully, it was and is the white. establishment of corporate governance that has sold out the jobs and sold out the icon properties and much elese that was the staple of what was the american base of prosperity.. I don't think China will make that mistake.. they have many clans of people but one ethnic root.. and they have survived for what 4-6 thousand years.. and America is.. what.. maybe 500-600 years.. and already falling apart at the seams.. in many categories.. maybe in part because it's system did not embrace the diversity that it is supposedly founded upon.. it still contains a segerated society.. in many many ways..that goes far and beyond economics.. where as China mainly has just and economic balancing act to perform.. so there are great advantages within the Chinese system and what it can accomplish. it too makes a very big difference when you have a nation of disciplined people, who have no aversion to hard work.. where we have in America everyone wants to be in the blue or white collar life.. and it's sometimes hard pressed to find great job loyalty in many sectors, and a transient work force.. but we also have too as a detriment to our system which is the divide of the partisan within our congressional ranks.. but this is too some of the same factors that plague the other sectors of the western world systems. As for the time span.. it is very positive factor that the Chinese have managed to find and keep a level of unity across all the occupations and other intrusive encroachments that it has endured.. and still it forges ahead... that's a great tribute to it's people as a whole.. We have so much media presentation of the black polulation as rapping bafoons, caught up in cars and flash and bling bling .. stuff. but that's not the depiction that fully encompasses the black race as a whole in america.. but that it what it choose to promote..and thus it continue to convey us to the world as a "less than" when it come to the progressive contributions of what we as a race contribute to the over-all. when you see. the drug epidemic in the black neighborhoods that they media potray, then think about it.. who is bringing these drugs and dumping them in the community.. you can drive thru some poor black neighborhoods, Take LA for example, you see liquor store after liquor store.. but in white neighborhoods, you have to hunt for one, and they don't have the liquor advertisments on the billboards in the predominately white areas.. but it's allowed in the poor neighborhoods, because they are too busy struggling to make dinner be on the table to be political fighter for .. a just society..that is a respector of the individual as individual without regards to economics and race.. We can even have the Jewish community who will raise holy hell, if anyone tries to tell them to shut up about the holocaust, but they are and many other's will tell a black person quickly, to shut up about racism and the reminents of slavery.. but people don't think of the hundreds of years of thoughts that went into the process of developing and maintaining what is and what salvery and it's mentality.. the whole of the system was built with laws to contain a race of people, and many of those laws are still on the books, and by indirect means it has a profiling effect on the whole of the stature and supports the many ommission process that are in place to curtail opportunity.. Slave grooming was not a whim, it was a ways of a countries building and it's foundation of it's growth.. and that.. is something that has roots that still carry the life of it's seed.. So... we as a country are self imploding.. and by rights of nature of human beings.. a nation such as China, India and other single ethnicity countries will move ahead as the world leaders.. but they will have a better and more advanced understanding of how to have a blended culture of people..that can support mass diversity.. China already does.. with their three dimensional system..and how they bring all along .. in a somewhat move of pace.. considering they move.. three time the population of the US, in their progressive steps.
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Hi All. Thank you for commenting. I'm in a rush and just pick Touch's word to his questioning abt speech freedom in China. It actually amazes me that variations of restrictions on content is with such blocks Touch, if you can read Chinese, dont forget China is the most active in internet protocol/blogging (both by writing/video), mobile messages. A vast number of independent sites: sina, sohu, chinaren, chinablog, tootou, qq, baidu, etc...Some say, (as this writer?), China is more free than US in this sense, except the one-party ruling. But does multi-party means democracy? I doubt. I can read anything here fm internet, incl. the most hostile ones.
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8/21/2006 10:19 pm |
you evidentally are taking my comment out of the context that I've written them.. my initial writing was basedon some info that I read from the internet.. which I'm not in China, and have not been there therefore, if you note in my writing, I try and contrast what I've read against what I know to exist in this country where I live.. I did not say multi party equal democracy.. it meant exactly what I said.. as I wrote it.. that china has the capability of dealing with a multi dimensional governmental structure.. it's actually a compliment to China. and that's what my point of reference was depicting.. I can truly enjoy the expounding on the subject matter of these items..but.. I do care that you not take them out of context, and extract it without the contrasting reference that is depicted in the whole of what I've written. We have as much internet filtering going on all across the world.. that's how they can catch the child predators and much else that goes on, Bush has already said they monitor mail and also inquire into the providers, the data of peoples surfing habits.. If you note when Google went into china, it was highly publicized that certain things were blocked out..that was International news.. not something that I conjured up nor that American's conjured up..and that is specifically the point I addressed, the article that I read about the BBC not being available, I found it to be quite odd.. considering they hae a link for Southeast Asian and many other regions.. therefore I thought it to be very curious and strange that such would be stated that it was blocked.. the article also said that many chinese know how to circumvent the blocks if they want to.. China now has the new IpV6 protocol, the us is still working on the old system of IpV4, which has a limitation of the total addresses it can handles, China's capacity is built on a system to allow greater mixed media content. that say's a great deal about the progressive development of China.. I can appreciate your efforts of defense and support of China, but my piece is not designed to criticize china, only discussing info that I read.. and clarity is always a great thing.. therefore we can discuss it.. in a mutual pro progressive.. status, and not one of need to be of a defending nature... because I'm not one seeking an attack on it... I think over-all as I've stated three times.. that China has a triple volume population over the US and they are doing a great job to try and bring so many people along yes.. the desparities exist.. but as I too noted in my contrast, that they too exist in the US.. and it's probably much worst in the US, than in China in that prespect.. in the US we have a racial divide, and economic divide and a partisan divide.. China, has mainly a economic divide.. and they do very well to deal with such in the over all , with a three dimension government structure at the same time... what may I ask are you interperting from what I write.? your last statment in your first comment is very much something that rings very true.. "Rather than hinder China's return to its former glory, America should help it along the way, if not out of sheer good will, then simply so that once it does inherit the reins of world power we will be its friend and not its enemy this is idealistic and quite pratical.. but.. the problem is the ideals of the US, cannot be transplanted into the Chinese society as Aamerica would hope and maybe try to influence.. China has to move at it's pace .. it knows it's population far greater than the US will ever know it.. If you may have read another blog I posted at another time.. it was stating that.. there are differences in groups and regions in china, that china knows how best to handle the transistional development of such.. to move on a platform that is of substantative stability within it's growth plans.. I also contrasted that.. against the break up of the soviet block.. we see what happen there.. there became a war of ethnic cleansing.. and much of havoc that was rooted not just in religious differences but also cultural and general life style differences.. and that has created instability in many of the regions that were once stable..We see the same thing happening in the Middle East.. instability.. so the American model is not what each nation needs, they need to bring their people along a progressive path basedon what differences they know require governance in certain manners and certain controls.. or otherwise it's utter chaos.... We too have to look at the % of immigration desires within countries, and what things they seek to extract themselves from.. that in and of itself conveys messages.. but the bottom line is there are no perfect places to live... it's just a world of much differences in lifestyle.. and variables of how wnad what traditions people cling to .. We've seen post that discuss and even inquire of the differences in Mainland Chinese and Hong Kong Chinese, and then we have the difference in the Taiwan Chinese..and probably the way many provinces operate.. as was noted in the article.. that Guandgong, and how it was progressive in ways different from other provinces.. therefore.. that signifies that.. the government structure has to have some symbolism of rigidity, at the top levels, but what actually goeson in the regions is much of differences and with varying degrees of leinency in how things are enforced or not enforced...and that.. has to be of relevancy to the nature of the dimensional governance.. of the Country as a whole. I doubt that any truly want to take any glory from China..at present most of the world embraces China in many ways..far and beyond what public folklore may precieve.. The US recently made an agreement with China to give them technology for the military needs.. The world knows China is not out to threaten anyone.. and it has been for many many years, and it's probably not likely that it will. but they are poised to offer up defense for itself and by right it should. N.Korea knows not to go beyond certain bounds..regardless of the weaponary they have.. because China is the quite giant that.. needs not to be provoked.. Currently China.. supplies the world with many many things, they've had their trade with the Easter block well established before the gains in trade with the west.. Economically .. china will forge it's progress and role as the world leader.. it has the discipline manpower to do so..It has a rival.. which may well be India.. when it comes to regards of economic power based on manpower and productivity capabilities.. and that is the force and strength that it can and will and does weild in it's own manner.. but it has the population that mandates that it do so. Now the other disparity that china has.. to it's disadvantage is the % difference in male and female population..and thus time may bring the child rules to lighten up.. because it needs to .. deal with an aging population and a population that is dominant in the male factor.. vs the female factor.. therefore the taxation of the rural citizenwho cannot afford to pay any more because they have more than one child.. but that will come to a resolve by and thru it's own demographic studies and economic mandates relative to such.
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That is when we see capitalism and marxism working hand in hand and no one could tell the difference...since it could be the new hybridisation of wealth theories. the future is no longer red or blue but a glowing purple..and perhaps there will be some real peace for all when all stomaches are fed...and brains educated whatever the religious or cultural difference. gourmet, Your first-hand experience/observations in China adds credit to what you said. I am glad you are not a "stranger" overseas Chinese. Indeed, China will not grow into a threat for the US or the world. We have billions to feed. All the development strategy is to sustain the country herself and her ppl. She has no ambition, as in the past or and in the future. Tell me, did China ever invade any other country? dvc, and others spare Tibet for me as this is not invasion, but station army on her own land with bloodshed. Our great Ming dynasty navy conquered the sea(the nature) in 16th century but never conquered any countries, just spreading the empire's fame and building up friendly/economic ties. I like your note of "hybridisation". Let me revert to the topic later. Excuse me.
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Touch, banana, dvc Thank you for all. Esp. touch, I will come back asap to your lengthy comment. and touch pls forgive me, i didnt mean to taking sth out of context to pick at you. I know you have quite an open American mind.
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A/c to Marx, communism w/b realized in a society where the productivity is highly developed and where the ppl's morality standard is high. Is it state-controlled capitalism? But China defines it as socialism w/ Chinese characteristics. Are you worrying no surplus value/labor for capitalists? No, surplus value is more civilized, and there will always be those few stronger exploiting those weaker.
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8/25/2006 8:39 am |
Davanci, China over the last 3 Leaders, actually possibly the Lsst 4.. have made great strides in modifying their nature of Marxism, and the conecptualy nature of communism as a whole, and they have found ways to blend their version with Capatilism.. There was a brilliant physicist in China's (I'd have to find the article to get his name ).. but he was heavy into the Einstein, and he would both at one point strongly for the revolutionary hard line communist concept, and later with the democratic reform.. pre Tieneman Squre.. and he published many papers .. He moved to the US, but later had to contest some of his papers being publisehed by someone in china, and thus fought and go most of his paper and published them himself.. but he worked within and outside the structure during some of the transistional change.. from way back.. The Xia Dynasty (2100 BC‒1600 BC, is the first dynasty to be described in Chinese historical records, which record the names of seventeen kings over fourteen generations. The legendary Three August Ones and Five Emperors are said to have preceded this dynasty, which was followed by the Shang Dynasty. and much that come into what is Present day China. the modification that China has made since the 1940's is actually some remarkable steps.. and then since the late 1960's, when in 1969 President Nixion was the first Us president that stepped into the land of china, and much has been in progressing that led up to that and that has been in continu advanced change since that time.. We are talking aboy a myraid of factors.. and a buldging population that al had to be managed very very carefully, alone within china, the multi diverse dialects, the multi ethinic and blended enthnic chinese make up of it's population has been much.. there is then too the Buddist factors that carry heafy impacting variables., and the Mongolian regions and various other regional things that required very focused managment natured protections. and transistional steps that some are tiny and some are bold. But, to bring such a mass conglomeration along a progressive changing and re-identifying state of government programs and policy provision.. is not something that is a mild undertaking, and then factions of challenge and leadership change.. even if the leadership stayed in place for 20 years..it's a hell of a dance to modify and build upon the problems of one regime to the next and correct.. it requires by the nature of life.. steps back and steps foreward.. and each time the group that ist moves ahead is larger and more prepared for the progressive steps. China is a nation that has to consider it's people and consider them very heavily, and thus their aspiration is not to dominate the world but to be a effecient society that can and do provide for it's people progressive opportunity to all share in the wealth of what is progress.. but it's provinces are of such mixed levels of prosperity and poverty that it's a daunting task.. this is part of the reason that China does not involve itself in world politic's as say the US does.. becasue it's issues are concerned with the internatal progress and stablity of it's people.. It's a very gentle nation in regards to it's disposition in a world climate, they are not driven by external agression that concerns impeading on nor within the politics of other nations, beyond what it needs to do to facilitate it's ongoing need and truly to their want to establish functional relations and favorable consideration without haveing to adopt the policy and programs of change that is dictate by external entities.. and by wisdom and the intellect of it's own societial needs.. it cannot desire such.. it has the populus that is mor than enough to handle on it's on and it has the land mass that is more than ample for what it precive itself to be.. and of potential in being ..yet remaining of solidity as to what it is.. it's a controversial situation regardihng Taiwan, China needs them, but not for the reason the west thinks that it needs them.. it's needs the intergrative know how in a global capatilistic nature, that can blend and intergrate and help it's progressive steps.. the same as it did with HKG, it left much of the governmental processes in place.. because it knew the value of HKG in the caption of what it is.. and what positive benefit it is to leave in to function with a semi and even a detailed difference than what Mainland China functions.. thus.. to bringing the government concerns of china as a whole to have a very intricate political structure.. this has slowed some thing but it has progressed so many other things.. and it's one hell of a balancing act to stay on a course of reformations and unification and diversification and .. inter connectivity of multidimensional world relations.. the West is trying to get it to change the valusation of it' s currency.. it truly can't afford to, no matter that the west says they are unable to com-ete in the current valuation.. but what the west is looking at .. is the developed metro and business center's of china.. but they are not mindful of the vastness of the population that cannot for many reason benefit directly nor share in the opportunities of this secular progress.. china needs it to be widespread not just in Markee cities and high profile provinces.. therefore a change in currency valuation will erode much of the progress in some ways and slow it in other ways.. It too has the compounded problem of the capatilistic factors of .. inflationand over heated economies, that can drive the socst structure fare and beyond the average citizen and that is a detrimen that is unfathomable by the west.. but is truly understood by the chinese governmental system.. China now is facing things that.. are very controversial.. and that is the movenment of business focus to regions like Viet Nam, Cambodia and next will come Laos, Myanmar and this is not to even menton the other competetive fators that it is faced with such as the vastness of India and it's rapid movenment as a world forces in sectors of economic provision it has such a strong foothold in. these collateral expsnsion of regional commerce is big factors.. as you also have some Chinese who are not re-investing in china. they are moving abroad, and taking knowledge and resources with them, and some are branching out to the fore-mentioned regions to find even cheaper labor and raw materials..that bring truly a direct competetive drain to the Chinese model. and many other things that it reverbreates to imply and the inference is semi chaotic to the program that is of the Chinese model design... The way International Commerce is handled in the World Banking Community, of intergrated corporate flow charted connectivity.. this is too, a very confounding factor that China faces. There are pockets of social unrest.. and economic turmoil and philispphical controversies that affect the nature and flow of what is designed as and for future progress,.. and this invariably affects the poor and thier land, but thelong term objective is to spread industry and metro progress.. but that is challenged in how and whay the land grabs and moves affect the populus in many ways of vairous regions.. the world truly has to look and be more commending of China in many ways for what it has accomplished and what it thrist to accomplish.. it is internally struggling to equip it's citizen with the ability to communicate in a world language.. and to learn too to think in a world prespective, but at the same time in a managed process to avert the rebellions that closely follow and is tied to information flow.. the big problem is World leaders. are all to eager to talk about.. economic forces and trends.. rather than to talk about the actual people factor and what nations need to maintain of their own structure.. to even began to approach this subject on all fronts. It's actually sad.. that the world community did not learn what it should have from the soviet break up.. and they have demonstrated that learned so very little by the acts that are presently engaged in the Arabic region.. that has totally disregarded that the muslim make up 25% and greater of the world polulation, and what affect that region is actually world affecting.. and we should se the terror disruptions that tell us this fact.. We also should see and should have seen that fighting in Iran is nothing short of the viet Nam, being re-enacted in the Arabic region.. fighting any force that one cannot distinguish the people and thus the milita factory, does not function like a polished military machine .. and the adapability of such a programmed force trying to fight a urban natured malitia and etc.. is impratical to be any winner... by an intruding foreign military machine.. this fact should ahve been learned long ago.. the French found that out in pre 1950 south East Asia, the Russian found that out with the long wars in Afganstan.. but yet the world forged ahead into the silliness to engage Iraq.. this is far different than the 1800's and early 1900 when the forces were mechanized and did such a dominat march thru the ontinent of Asia and divvied it up..among themselves.. today that is not going to happen ... and the quicker the world of Western powers take note of such reality.. then we can move to a greater peace about the world and pay mutually supporting roles.. the world cannot be won by brute force.. this is the age of info and technology.. and that has no bound .. as did the industrial age.. and the pre industrial age.. so it's a different game.. and China is very smart to not engage in the silliness of what is engaged by the Western world.. of warfare agression and power play of intimidations and threats.. based on some antiquated militarily agenda of pace.. Reagan was smart enought to see and know this Grobachev was smart enough to know this.. and then we have an idiot as Bush who is not skilled in such matters of world structural awareness.. tried tactic's that are not suited for the new age society of the world.. wht was necessary in Afganstan was and should have been sufficient to .. do targeted and purpose driven factors that were related to people.. but the Iraq thing was and is not people related in base, it's profits and resource commodity driven..in the wrong context.. of it's administarative agenda.. and functional aspirations.. In much of truth the world can and should Learn much from china in things and ways that it does not even precieve it can benefit from.. because it's too busy looking at the poor of china and stigmitizing their precept of what is China.
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8/25/2006 9:06 am |
this is a very good summaration of variables.. and point and fact factors.. didn't we see what you just described that happened with Japan, and they too sough out the cheaper labor, of South Korea, Phillipines and various other localities.. and the labor force of Japan became unaffordable to even the Japanese industrial complex.. as you make reference to the Amozinoian Indians, that beyond a symbolic referene depiction.. but too a potentiality of pursuit.. we still have .. such as the regional factors mentioned in the piece above, I worte of Viet Nam which is a very powerful factor, and even moreso counting their Port-to-Sea, Accessibility.. and the land inter-connectivity to the Chinese Asian Continent.. but we have to turn focus too and consider the factor of Africa.. that is a labor pool that is untapped.. and the social regional unrest will remain in the region until capatilism seeks to consolidate it in another manner.. prefvious it was a harvest country for natural resources.. it's next phase is to be a harvest for a labor pool.. this may be well 50 years away.. but it is to come. swallowtsui Is it state-controlled capitalism? But China defines it as socialism w/ Chinese characteristics. Are you worrying no surplus value/labor for capitalists? No, surplus value is more civilized, and there will always be those few stronger exploiting those weaker. you two, each, make some very distinguised commentary and yet, in the contextural prespective, you each substantiate the over-view of each other's precepts.. and share a expansive awareness of a very compounded structural of fluxiating and mixed variable of what is the nature of evolutionary summation of what is marxis and communist model of china and it's intergrating intersections, with capatilism.. it'a actually a great blog that has expounded on much ... and such a very interesting subject of elemental facts and progressive compillation of expanding philisophies.. that embrace what is the historical core of intersecting philisophical model os social organization.. and it's truly a very delicate and semi fragile .. model that has to be of great sensitivities of many sorts.
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8/25/2006 9:24 am |
I'm afraid that, by nature and by their very definitions, there's no way capitalism and Marxism may ever work hand in hand. Unless what you call "Marxism" is indeed something else, like Social Democracy -- that is, to make a long story short, what Communism has evolved into in Western Europe. but, this is logial of what is said regarding maraxist based evolution of philispohical model.. the sterness of maraxism could not remain in a state of inflexibility and non-intregrational development and blending.. the world is different.. and such it was inevitable that it would be expounded upon and modified and enhanced.. yet still hold some of the principal based factors of it's philisophy.. your insightful conceptualization of what it may be termed to have evolved to is.. a great cor-relations.. but.. the declarative statment that marxism and capatilism .. cannot co-exist.. I somewhat disagree in what such is in the expanse of what it becomes.. We know not what the fullness of marixm would be even in the pretext if it had remained true to form.. because.. it was a base concept, that had to be as is all.. in a continual developmental progression of change and adapttation to a changing world.. therefore.. we cannot for certainsay that an extention of what is Marixsm, would not have embraced such aspects of capatilism.. because.. even in Maraxist model, there is a capatilistic agenda it's just managed and maintained from the level at the top.. for the good of the whole of the people, but even in a fully privitized model, it would be driven by a capatilistic agenda.. to sustain itself. we even see now in the US.. the current move now is toward privatization, but a deomcratic form of such, but it convert the economy to the conceptual model.. that is driven back into a potential of monolipiztional prespectives that can open the avenue for facism to take a role to be driven by the corporate agendas of a collective of privitized industrial powers... and that is a challenge to the Federalized govermental structure, that we currently enjoy.. and we have seen this move progressively becomeing more and more by the fact and act of the lobboyist influence upon the congressional school ..of governmental administration on all level, including the most important .. being the judicial.. or should I better say the hily pivitol sector..being the judicial. and this will then allow the privitized industy to work with international entities in a different manner that.. localized laws will not affect its extend reach of internation parterner ship.. and that makes ways to circumvent the parameter's that fight against .. the prespective of what is slave labor.. by preying on the poor nations with expendable labor pools.. I'm afraid that, by nature and by their very definitions, there's no way capitalism and Marxism may ever work hand in hand. Unless what you call "Marxism" is indeed something else, like Social Democracy -- that is, to make a long story short, what Communism has evolved into in Western Europe.
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Touch I roughly go through your several comments. You are a world-concerned person. Shall we bravely assume: How if the socialist block led by Soviet won the Cold War? How if the capitalist countries led by US did not oppress socialism worldwide but let it develop naturally - Asia, Latin America, E. Europe? How if all socialist nations carry on like Cuba? Things will be completely different. If the world community was more tolerate and democratic, if socialism needed not to confront the hostility and intentional suppression fm capitalism, given it a compatible environment to develop, communism would not have been aborted. And who knows, if there's a day that capitalist system no long fits and the world would evolt into another social archetype what-what ism, or, revert to communism again.
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