touch213 70M
6990 posts
10/5/2008 9:16 am
Relationships and Money

this is such a big issue in so many places of the world...
some places they still have the request of dowries to be paid.
some place have the arranged marriage, that deal with money more than love between the people being arranged.
In royalty circles, it's still money, but they match money with the blood line of money and the titles that comes with the history of that money.
in most societies, it's more about the match between a woman with a man who has means and wealth... regardless if the woman has no money.

in some societies even the nature of having more than one wife, is dependent on how much money or wealth the man has, which impacts how man wives he can have.

on the street level, it's a matter of how much can he afford to spend as to which woman he can buy for the evening... and if he has less money, then he has to go to one section of town, if he has more money he can go to a different section of town... and the prices vary based on how the women are measured depending on the section of town, and then on the looks of the woman, in a particular section of town.




so the question is... Can there ever be any options, that surpass the nature of the process of "buying access to engage".. based on either how much money or wealth is held by the man, or how much cash he lays out for the situational 'access to engage"..

when it's said.. that "money is the Root of All Evil".. could it be that money is made such a matter in Men and Women relating, that once it's interjected into the relationship in such manner... it is destined to promote and provoke and invoke,and evoke any and every sort of evil imaginable between people.. and revoke, the nature of compassionate understanding, and choke out respectful assocciation.. and they poke, then with malice, at each other..

man having a cut throat attitude with other man, woman having a cut throat attitude with other women.. and men and woman having a mis-use me, I mis-use you... attitude in their relating..

nearly every study on relationship... ALWAYS, points to most breaks up being about "money" and matters pertaining to money..

Now if people are aware of this, and aware how money can be of such impacts in relationships... wouldn't it seem logical that if they claim and value, each other as persons, as they claim .. "love".. they would be smart and intelligent enough not to make money their motivating criteria in mate selection..

How many more generations will have to come and go thru the trips and madness of so many sorts.. before society evolves.. to a realization and a point, to value love, without regard to money... and learn how to love.. without basing so much on money..

If man and woman both are motivated to work, and both are motivated to contribute equally to the money they want, then they would not have such an issue of money .. being the basis of their relating.. yet, they claim it's all about love, but when the money goes .. the love has generally departed when the door open for money to start it's trek of leaving... by the time the money is gone, there is nothing left but anguish, that leads people even to the level of hate, which does not excluded killing the other, to collect their insurance to any host of extremes..

could it be, people don't truly know themselves, well enough to know where the line of money and love is within themselves..

could it be that people conveniently lie to each other about the impact of money in relationships.. and how much it influences the nature of the relationship..

Even people who both have plenty of money, find they may have been attracted by the glitters that money bought and surrounded each other, until they neglected to see the actual person, of each other, and when the glitter fades, they can't stand the person..

or the one's who rush to say "I do" when they see the money, and then a year later, they are crying the blues, becasue their delusion did not happen as the illusion pretended, and they again can't stand each other.. and when they realize not only were they bought, they were even many times more eager to sell,,, and the buyer found out that he did not like what he bought, and the seller found out they sold more than they planned on selling..

then they can't stand each other.

and here's the simplicity.... God said... Man and Woman were helpmates... they are made with the connectivity unto each other to be help mates.. and any time they try to become anything other than help mates.. they will find despair.. any time one buys the other, or the other sells themselves to the other .. and try and pretend its love.. or act out an illusion as mates.. they will find despair..

when they become help mates of each other, they find growth, and unison within their relationships, they find their individual strengths within the relations, that makes each of them a progressively better help mate, they each don't run from the task at hand, nor do they avoid helping each other when their works support both ... even when they have and share sex.. if money is not a matter and they are helpmates, they are there to help each other explore their thoughts of love making, sex and creatively expressing their desire, they are there to help each other experience their thoughts and desires about pleasure and it's exchanges of satisfying their wants and desires, they are there to give and share it, for not just each other but for one unto and of the other, to explore what they desire.. they don't have a time frame on it, or worried about if one got more than the other, because tomorrow, they may want what they want, and they have a mate to help the explore and find and experience it.. maybe one wants a quickie today, maybe tomorrow the other may want a quickie, in the middle of their chores, and they go back to their chores onces it's done... then they are there to give and share that with each other...

But when the money gets in the matter.. they can't see such sharing.. they are quick,.. to then start blaming the other and claiming it, use..

when the matter is when it's love, they are sharing the use of each other for the fulfillment of each other.. and there is no room for misuse.. becasue they already have a meeting of the minds, because they understand their love is about sharing the satisfactions that each seek.. and each want.. be it for self and for shared motivations.. and they neither, feels cheated or robbed, they feel.. delighted to be there to share what the other needs, and what the other wants.. and there is less of a chance either will have to go look else where for what they way... because they have a mate who is there to share such wants.. without pre-condition, because tomorrow they may want the same, and they will want it without pre-conditions..

buit the minds of people can't and don't think.. because "money becomes so much of the matter".. and the premise of "money" is all about.. "value and bargaining power"... and when relationships are based on money... it then becomes about.. value and bargaining power, and everything between them becomes a value-bargain matter.. and "true nature of sharing" is an unheard of thing...

so you might want to truly understand yourself, and what and how money impacts your relationship and your choices of relationships.. and you might just save yourself a lot of undue hassle and stress.. and if you find that you can't reason beyond money.. then you may need to accept, that your relationships are based on "bargaining".. and "value-bargain" scenarios.. then you can understand yourself better and don't get so pissed off, claiming love is gone.. when truth is.. love may not have ever been the foundation of the relationship.. money is..



Yes.. learning to love.. and learning what is love beyond what money has invoked to claim itself love... is when the eyes of mankind are opened and they understand how to love.. beyond the games which money has usurped ... to pretend and create the pretense of love..

and you just might find that you can then step into the wisdoms light.. and know how to love... then each of you can enjoy the things that money can afford, by the money each of you bring into the relation to share with each other... becasue .. loving each other will be more of the foundation.. than money could ever become..

and you just might get SOME SEMBLANCE of your "Fairy tale" to show some parables of reflections, of what loving can yield in joys "SHARED" WITH EACH OTHER... and you each can then romance life itself.. as two people sharing in the midst of living..

the couples who find their peace.. with their concept of money.. and know of what matters of money, and how money is not the matter of their love... ARE THE COUPLES WHO FIND LONG LASTING LOVING..

all others shall find more contentions, than they can withstand.

you just might want to review the depth of your concepts about relationships, and understand where and how money may have influenced your choices.. which may even tell you why you can't find a relationship, and why you can't keep one when you find one that seem to hold potential to be a relationship... it may be to the wisdom of the wise... to find this early in life, and have more chance for a long lasting relationship.. than finding it later in life.. and wishing you'd found it earlier..


money comes and goes, but the love instilled and shared across and within and unto hearts last for eternity...

fight the reasoning if you will or if you want.. but truth will prevail, no matter what battles you wage to try and prove it otherwise".. "Truths".. come in the most wondrous abstractions of the system of this world... and they stand always above the fray of the chaos..

Life in it's own ways.. always requires the Rebirth in the spirit of self, to know the differences ... "we call it .. "BECOMING AWARE"

touch213 70M

10/5/2008 11:22 pm

you understand the realism of life... it's not something that all people gather, many see money as the means to so many things.. but any couple that expects to have a good shared life, will have to build it far and wide beyond the concept of money... and they each may well care very deeply about "working together" to make things function and provide the available money they feel they need..

there are some circumstance that one income may work for some, but it is a matter they may well care to carefully consider.. but both are for sure contributing something, to making a relationship.. that each respect the other .. outside of the thoughts about money..

there are some who make do with one income, but in the cases it's average income, then they have to be content with what it will buy and what it will take care of, and the other is contributing something into the relationship that equally benefits both as a progressive sharing pair..

example they are raising small kids, then maybe they don't want the kids at a baby sitter, and they have other things which contribute to building a family the non working parent can provide.. they both are thrift in what they do, and they build it based on such things.. they don't trip on the other about more money, and the non working one may find new ways of being resourceful...

there are situation where maybe there is a lot of money made by one, then the other can contribute to the relationship in other ways, by knowing what is needed for the home and the managment of it and how to be equally resourceful to support the income earner in as many ways as they can.. and what ever other agreement they work out..

but so often women marry rich men, and they think shopping is their ultimate thing, and after the closets are full, and they've dined in every place and have the newest car and the loveliest home, they find out how empty they are, and then badger the man, because he is not there all the time to fill the void.. they've got their accolades from their peer group, they have showed off to the family and others, and now all that does not feed their ego any longer...and then they find out they have contributed absolutely not a thing, then they become like a needy person, more poor than a beggar, with their continual badgering of the man, to be there 24/7 as a means to give them a sense of worth.. and when he can't .. they go into their panic modes, and claim then to realize that money did not buy that delusion they chased.. and they are then ready to go... but the unfortunate thing is then they want to take his money with them.. and after they take his money, then they are out and about.. talking about .. how now, they understand money did not buy happiness, but by then they have made his life hell, and ripped him off, thru her delusion chasing escapade.. and then they are the ones out talking about.. how they married for all the wrong reason... but they sure won't return the money she gained .. by all her wrong reasons.. this is the kind of stuff that leaves a bitter taste in peoples mouth behind .. the gold digging types..

and there are countless ones out with that mission and each one thinks they will chase the money and find a different outcome, and they never do, because you can't base it on money and expect to claim it to be love.. it's is what it is.. the lust for money, by the pretense of love.. born from a blinding by the lights which money makes shine bright.. and they find in the blindness, they have been stumbling in a whole different type of darkness..

many families groom this craziness in to their daughters, and even into their sons, where some men, choose the image, of what looks good, when they know often time, what looks good, so many times, think they deserve to catch someone with money... and they try to pretend it's love.. when it's really the magnetism of monies allure, that has them infatuated.
it's like a guy drive up in a fancy car, with a suit or something that looks like money.. and they swoon like made... and for the guy, soon as the tight pants, and the designer clothes with a pretty face, they call it love.. and both get duped, by the illusion in their own minds, and wonder which way did the truck go that hit them..

so much of this is how society influences and grooms.. which is why I say.. people have to be reborn in their awareness.. of what is the differences ... and become aware of the depth of themselves...

and the cultures that don't have that option.. because of their traditions based on such stuff... the best that can be hoped for is they can make peace with their situation..and themselves...

It's truly sad, that some cultures have not changed in all these years.. but there are still many countries that do not give women rights.. so such process may work in the countries where women do not have many options... and they have to tolerate the processes.. maybe they follow it because of the family thing..


Roxannatone 45F
238 posts
10/13/2008 11:22 pm

Touch:

money is not love ,money just is a plus for love, for poor lover ,love hard; for rich lover ,love free and no brudern for buying anything they want! that is truth.

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