Sunflower569 58F
969 posts
4/21/2006 12:44 am

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6/18/2006 7:23 am

True Feminist or False Feminist? ----- Reading Davinci2rinpoche's Recent Three Posts


It is very interesting to see that our intelligent blogger Davinci2rinpoche is trying to hold a Festival of Women Liberation in his recent posts. I would like to say that they are challenging and thought provoking, but it is not that his posts are being commented from so many different intelligent t angles, it is that I have doubted about Davinci2rinpoche’s trueness of his opinions in feminism.

According to the American poststructuralist Harold Broom, all reading is necessarily misreading because of the uncertainty and incompleteness of the texts the authors presented to us; thus, we call for complexity of the texts and multiplicity of the interpretations. It is no strange that Davinci2rinpoche has received tremendous responses from his readers. Thanks for the posts and responses from the readers, we have great joy of reading challenging comments which have provided enough space for us to think and meditate over the issues proposed by the writer and the readers at the same time.

From most posts and comments, we may draw a conclusion that Davinci2rinoche is a supporter of feminist. If he is not a supporter of feminist, he is a man who would like to provide space of women’s liberty at least. But after I took sometime to give them a careful reading, my doubt about the trueness in his feminist opinions.

First, let read his “Celebration” post. It is true that the last stanza of the poem is the expression of the female power, but the premise is that she must kneel down before the absolute male superiority. “Kneel, love, a thousand feet below me, / so far I can barely see your mouth and hands / perform the ceremony,” … The time during which she shows her respect to the male icon could be an ordeal. She paves her way to the roof with groans too, which should be louder than that of males, but she has swallowed all the groans all the way long till she becomes a queen. It is because of her great ability to swallow all these silent groans that she finally conquers the males or the world.

Second, we can read his comment, “Besides, by assuming that her man thinks this or that, a woman deprives him of his right to think differently: actually she locks him up in her representations and allows no chance to real understanding.” When men can go out drinking and meeting other women at night leaving their wives taking care of their , do you suppose that women have got more rights than men do? Men have got enough rights to do whatever they want to do, but women have not. Why do we still have International Women’s Day? It is a good evidence to prove that we women are still struggling in the patriarchal society. Can I ask you, Rinpoche, a bold question? What have you done for your younger after you left your wife? Who is taking care of your girl? You or your wife? I bet it is you wife who takes the sole responsibility of taking care of her. Your wife has been deprived of her right to enjoy carefree life as you do.

Last, I can still remember your comments in Caragh’s blog, “Love Is Luxury”. “Typically, the man who meets a woman, however smart and sexy she is, will feel trapped from the start if he knows she will only consider marriage. He knows he will HAVE TO propose to her, so where is his liberty? Where is her liberty? Where is the so important spontaneity?” You want your liberty, but your girl also wants her liberty, her liberty to give love, not necessarily to receive love only. According to your theory, women cannot decide on anything, for if she decides, you will lose your liberty. What is your definition of female liberty? Does it mean that being passive instead of active? Here I really cannot see what liberty you want to give to your girl. Taking off shoes for your girl cannot prove that you are a real female respecter. As we know, even dinosaurs know how to please his sex partners while mating, let alone men. Whether you are a real women respecter or not could be seen only after your sexual encounter.

From all the above evidence offered, it is not hard for us to see that you are a holder of absolute male superiority which cannot be uprooted and overthrown, for you are brought up in a patriarchal society. We can see that you are not a true supporter for women’s liberation, only a white sepulcher in the aspect of women liberation.

Sunflower569 58F

4/21/2006 12:50 am

First, I am not a feminist, but what I have read invited me to doubt.

second, I would like to expound my arguments, but sorry for my being force to have a meeting at four o’clock.

Cogito ergo sum.

Good luck to you all!


Sunflower569 58F

4/21/2006 4:05 am

Appologize for my hurried writing! In the last paragraph, "you" should be changed into "he". This is not a post for Rinpoche only, for all the readers.

Good luck!


touch213 69M

4/21/2006 7:51 am

we are help mates of each other...
if you stand "back to back" ..you have a 360 degree view, if you trust the other ... and if they move in a rotation, they each get to see the view the other has seen... and they can convey the change they notice..

if you stand "face to face" ..you have a 360 degree view, if you trust the other ... and if they move in a rotation, they each get to see the view the other has seen... and they can convey the change they notice..

it may be well... a matter of trusting each other..


swallowtsui 51F
1431 posts
4/21/2006 8:04 pm

Joking Danvinci, you made me laugh on your joke abt "kneeling" to the door. This door can be anything...

Kneeling down is a comfortable posture. I knelt down last night in the cinema in front of my male friend, a local movie director sticking to his movie ideal, not to him, to pick up a pc of paper fm the floor.

My smart Sunflower, we should count on ourselves for liberation, not on men and anybody else. Do we need verbal supporter? You will imprison your own liberation if you prefer to ask it fm men. Sure you wont

And, if we women pick out and fight back every traits/tracks of men's gender superiorrity, we already subconsciously admit that they are superior. Give men some space to have this GOOD FEEl, it means we women are on top of them.

Only when the words Feminism and Feminists disappear, the two sexes are in great harmony and great equal status!!!!


gabriola 83M

4/21/2006 11:54 pm

sunflower, You are so full of S**t you squeek. First you say you cannot gain anything from the written word because the writer isn't saying what he means. I guess we should burn all our books???

Next, this feminist crap, and that is just what it is. Men and women are people, first, last, and always. There are feminine men to be found, and masculine women, but worst of all, the Germaine Greere type of woman who gets so bound up in discovering the differences that they don't appreciate them, consider the necessity for them, or see the symbiotic need for them. Wake up and smell the roses. There is no fatal combat between the sexes, just an intricate ballet.
It is a game of pretend, can't you see that? Based on atavistic origins, men and women play a game as old as time itself, where men pretend to run everything, but are quite relieved to let women really do so behind the scenes of any successful marriage.

Oh Yes...I'm Baaaaaaack!


Sunflower569 58F

4/22/2006 4:57 am

Sorry I can only take a little time to give a quick look at what is happening in the blogs. I will find time to give responses. Rather tied up. Good luck!


touch213 69M

4/22/2006 12:04 pm

swallowtsui, you are a very smart woman... and great sense of humor..


Sunflower569 58F

4/22/2006 11:38 pm

Rinpoche,

It is great to see your open-minded soul in answering my sharp questions. For sure, my post was not intending to direct the question to you. I wrote to invite all the males to think about women's liberty when they are trying to ask for liberty from women.

Your recent three posts did invite me to think. Cogito ergo sum.


Sunflower569 58F

4/23/2006 12:02 am

Swallow,

I don't count on men to feel happy, but the problem is that I have never had problems of feeling of being imprisoned by my ex, for I have never taken staying at home doing housework as a kind of chore. If my health is in great condition, I would be happy to arrange my home in a pleasant way, for I take housekeeping as a kind of art if time permits. If time does not permit, I use my money.

This morning, I did dish washing for my sister-in-law willingly, and she just stayed there chatting with me, at least two days' dishes in the sink. Some sort of housework cannot tire people to death, right?

What are men and women fighting for? They fight from the bed to the kitchen!

I am not a feminist!


Sunflower569 58F

4/23/2006 12:13 am

Mint,

Gourmet has given you a wonderful response. Good Luck! And thanks for Gourmet's response to Mint's question! Good luck to you too!


Sunflower569 58F

4/23/2006 12:35 am

Gabriola,

Different voices are always welcome in my blog, but I have nothing to say about your comments.

I do hope you have a normal mind instead of abnormal one.

Good luck!


Sunflower569 58F

4/23/2006 2:11 am

Viva la difference! It is becasue of this difference, that men love/lust women, and women love/lust men.

Elmo,

That is why I am not a feminist. I am willing to accept the differences between men and women. My ex can never surpass me in cooking, housekeeping, and taking care of his son; I can never surpass him in business managing, money investing, and money counting.

Good luck!


Sunflower569 58F

4/23/2006 2:14 am

Touch,

For sure, trusting is one of the most important things in relationshiips.

Good luck!


Sunflower569 58F

4/24/2006 3:00 am

I love all the comments here, esp. that from Gourmet! Thanks! If I were a man, I could not hardly wait to your mind. I love you! Cheers! I am a straight girl.

Sorry for my little time here.

Good luck to all of you!


gabriola 83M

4/24/2006 9:55 pm

I'm Back! Rinpoche. Hmmmmmm? the last time I changed my mind? That has to be the time fairly recently that I decided you were half human. Formic Acid? Hey if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, I wouldn't dish it out if I couldn't take it. I certainly wouldn't return to read the answers! There is not enough honesty in communication nowadays, which makes for a pablum experience. Certainly no advancement. Platitudes are nothing else if not comfortable. Personally I find it is far too easy to slip into deep, self congratulatory ruts. The cart only slips when someone challenges it.

Oh my God! Skirts and dresses! How I miss the 50's, even a small portion of the sixties. a knee length cotton dress that swirls and hides all the delights of the female form. The pleasure is in the imagining, which sharpens the anticipation, and accentuates the gaining.

Anyone who says they left a mentally stimulating, and soul satisfying job at the peak of their career, for any reason, needs a reality check. That usually means that a ceiling has been reached, or a gentle push has been applied. Rationalization follows.

Feminism: In Victoria a march was planned by women with candles to "Take back the night". To push the idea that women should not be afraid to go on the streets at night. Men turrned up to take part and were rudely turned away.

Years ago here in Canada, a madman with a gun killed women in a University down East. The anniversary has been marked ever since by women marchers. Every year men are told to stay away.

GO AWAY! This is not a battle between men and women. Western Civilization does not lock women up in Burkhas, and demean them as does Islam. As the Old Lady says in the ad. "Where's the beef?" It is an artificial battle, or crusade, one with no opponent.


gabriola 83M

4/24/2006 10:02 pm

Whoops. Almost forgot you Elmo. If Sunflower wants respect she has to earn it. It is not given as a gift. Perhaps when she stops wallowing in self pity, she may get it.


down_by_the_sea
(greg sun)
64M

4/25/2006 6:19 pm

yes yes yes. more power to you. for women in the arts look up


hitoallnow
(HI )
98F
119 posts
4/26/2006 10:23 am

"MEN" is the only expression I can use to describe comments made on/to this blog! As a woman, I support equality. As a person, I believe in/value respect. Allow me to spell out what LIFE means to me: Learn, Inspire, Fulfill, and Educate. And let's put it this way: since men and women eventually die of old age, why dwell on feminism or male chauvinism to make a point? And since we have no control over how we were born, why not make the best of who we are and appreciate the differences? Life is already complicate enough. I don't see myself as a woman when it comes to working, living and enjoying what I have accomplished. Education teaches me what is best for me and the next generation, history helps me understand what can be passed on. Make love sounds nice, but what about afterward? Who takes care of the consequence? I would like to make a motion for the new millennium: take care, not destroy, there is capacity in each one of us to do just that.


Sunflower569 58F

4/27/2006 2:42 am

Pretaaimer,

Thanks for your response to Hitaollnow's comments!

I am rather busy these days!

Good luck to you!


gabriola 83M

5/19/2006 1:14 am

i think a conclusion is needed here. Sunflower? I am glad you finally got Rinpoche's number. He is a SEXIST PIG. If you have read all of his posts as I have you have not found a single one that does not have sex as its' reason for being. Secondly all these posts are concerned with how women can please men, or how they should. He is a nasty piece of work.
I recently challenged him to not mention sex in his next 25 posts, don't hold your breath. The man is a patronizing, sexist so I can find sympathy with Eclectic also. Any man who can rave on about having women kneel before him in submissive fellatio is definitey sick. He couldn't envision a woman lying beside him doing the same thing, no, she had to be kneeling in front of him. He is SICK, SICK, SICK.


gabriola 83M

5/12/2007 11:13 pm

Hoo Boy! Well Sunflower it took you long enough to get Rinpoche's number. Sure he is a an outright and bedamned male chauvinist of the first order. I noted that he evaded your question as to whether it was he or his ex-wife who was looking after the kids.
unhappyly, where I do agree with him is in labelling. Femminists, chauvinists whatever. Any time two people meet, male and female there is an entirely different chemistry. Who can say what makes them happy? I have noted that every couple also contains one great human being and one horrible example of one; male of female. We are all-in-all a very weird mix of psychotypes. so lass it is whatever makes two people happy with each other, even for swine like Rinpoche.
So hi you rotten old bugger Rinpoche. I see you are still gladly intellectually twisting the tails of those who are too ignorant to realize just how ignorant you are yourself? I actually feel sorry for you. You have obviously never been able to create, build, and nurture a lifelong relationship with a woman. One that did not contain Dominance/Submission issues, just plain love? Not something to be put under a magnifying glass and anayzed, just something that is? As the sun rises in the morning, and sets at night?
You may have noticed that I have been away for a while, there are health issues that show no signs of resolution, but by God I will be waiting there for you for a bloody good hauling over the coals. For now little boy, just grow up and treat women as our counterparts, or counter balances, not as meat to be taunted and befuddled.