1ClassyLady 68F
3114 posts
12/2/2015 8:10 pm
The misconception about atheists


First and foremost, nobody was born and raised as atheist. We have been influenced by our parents. I was born and raised as a Catholic and went to church to learn Bible in Taiwan. Human have long childhood in compare of other animals. My mom used to take me to church for Christmas Even Mass. I remember my mom told me to hang long socks beside of my bed on Christmas Eve and next morning I saw gifts for me. I soon realized the gifts were from my mom NOT from Santa Claus because it is impossible for him to deliver gifts to everyone in the world in one night. So, I didn’t believe Santa Claus existence since 5 y/o. When my were little, I did the same, gave them gifts at bedside. I asked them who gave the gifts, but they knew from TV even before they went to pre-K that gift was NOT from Santa Claus. Now they are adults, I gave them cash instead. I don’t know what they want.

Religion is supposed to teach us to be good people. There is supposed a “mighty god” who can create human, make miracles, and if you believe in him, you can go to heaven after death. Do you know how many religions in the world? I have Indian pharmacists worked with me, they told me in India alone they have more than 100 different religions, some even believe in snakes or rats and feed those animals in temples. As you may know, ISIL “educate” and young men to fight, to kill, when they were very young. Religions really can influence and change people. ISIL and Al-Qaeda told those stupid young men if they kill Westerner, they can go to heaven and 72 virgin girls. We know it is ridiculous, but they don’t know because they have been “brainwashed”.

We have been educated many years to know “Right” from “Wrong”. I believe that it is impossible to know whether there is a god. I am skeptical about the existence of god and doubtful or non-committal about god. Why god didn’t appear when Christians were about to be eaten by lions at Colosseum, Italy? Why god didn’t appear on Sept 11, 2001 to save 3,000 people? Why god didn’t appear on March 11, 2011 when earthquake/ tsunami took away 19,000 lives? Where was god when the carnage occurred in Paris twice? Why the prayers didn’t work? Why there are only two places to go after deaths? Don’t you think the heaven is too crowded? You don’t need to quote me from Bible, I know “Ten Commandments” “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

I doubt Santa Claus existence since 5 y/o and doubt god’s existence when 50 y/o. All I want is “Peace on Earth”. I am NOT greedy to go to heaven. (I'm an agnostic, I doubt. An atheist knows there is no god.)

Happy holidays to everyone !!





Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
12/6/2015 4:02 pm

an interesting book is Ecclesiastics.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
12/6/2015 4:01 pm

As I said: I believe there is some superior force which created the whole.

Now, I don't see to put a face or form to that force, because for me the force, which I will call "GOD", created both man and animals, things and space and what's beyond as to "the universe".
I think the Bible is a good book to learn from its "PARABLES", about Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living.

Therefore:

There is too much unknown and too much for mankind to know... one is left to their choice within what they believe.

In the end, we all will come to a point of death. What happens afterwards, I cannot know and have never known anyone who's gone through death and found means to come back and speak of what it is.

We've seen people like Hitler and many before him to slaughter many, and we've see people like Mother Theresa who helped many, both came to a point of death... the actions of both during their life is known by many even after their death. What can we make of it, is it Good vs Evil - yet both met the same fate in the end.

Therefore I think> For Me,as an Individual the best pathway to traverse life is via Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living.

As an Individual, I would not choose to be as of the demeanor of Hitler nor would I care to have any acts committed by him, to be of any element in and of the memory of my living.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/6/2015 1:19 pm

beyond fantasy:

John Lennon's song "Imagine" is a typical Image of atheists. No heaven, no hell, no religion, no country, no possession, ...... I hope the song is Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good things, ...... for your standard.

Do you think atheists are NOT ethical, moral, virtue, graceful, compassionate, empathy, peaceful,...? Atheists don't have Bible, Koran, Torah, .... don't believe in god, devil, heaven or hell, no symbolic idol,... everything base on education and conscientiousness. It is rational, scientific, ethical, moral, virtue, graceful, compassionate, empathy, and peaceful. Bible forcefully wants people to believe in god (no question ask). There are 4 out of 10 Commandment I can't agree with:

10 Commandment List

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Well, hospital, police, pilots for travelers, ...; people do work on Sundays on their jobs.



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/6/2015 11:33 am

beyond fantasy:

We know B.C. is Before Christ, A.C. is After Christ and Bible was written by HUMAN. The bible must have written around 2015 yrs ago. At that time, human believed earth is flat and in the center of solar system. Wrong, very wrong for us modern people. There are hundreds different religions in the world, every religion think their god is the true god and if they believe in god, they can go to heaven. So, different religions are fighting each other, particularly ISIL extremist. If people can go to heaven or hell, there is a god at gate to decide who goes to heaven, who goes to hell??? How good can one go to heaven? How bad will one send to hell? Everyone is different. If you are a Christian, you can kill the doctor or nurse at ab*ortion clinic and still go to heaven? If you are a Christian cop, you shoot unarmed Black boys, can you still go to heaven? Some people have misconception about atheists are strange people. That is my topic of this blog. Atheists are rational, scientific people who believe no god, no devil, no heaven or hell, still want to have "peace on earth" and remain in earth after death. Atheists don't have symbolic idol "god". I am NOT first and certainly NOT the last of agnostic/atheist. After the 13th of Nov terror attack in Paris, a pianist played John Lennon's song "Imagine" that says of all. I posted a blog "Imagine" lyrics long time ago on here.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Life is precious. Everyone only has one life to live. Do NOT be a religion extremist. Do NOT think Christians are always right and have privileges to go to heaven.



Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
12/5/2015 9:31 am

As I said: I believe there is some superior force which created the whole.

Now, I don't see to put a face or form to that force, because for me the force, which I will call "GOD", created both man and animals, things and space and what's beyond as to "the universe".
I think the Bible is a good book to learn from its "PARABLES", about Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living.

As to Adam and Eve, its a good parable for the sake of Principles to understand their relations unto one unto the other.
A question does arise when the Bible say's " Let's Make Man in OUR Image,
now who that "OUR" is I don't know.
Also when the parable of Cain and Able, and Cain slew Able, it was said he was cast to the "East of Eden", and the people there was not to harm a hair on his head. "Where did those people come from?"

I like the history channel, and the interesting thing of them discussing the possibility of Alien who knew genetics, created Adam and Eve. well that has a questions again, because that would not explain the people in the East of Eden?
Another question is, "when in time was the emergence of Adam and Eve concept originated?

Then we have the period of where large creature existed, so did they come after these creatures.
Over-all there can be many many many questions. Again, I go back to:
the Bible is a good book to learn from its "PARABLES", about Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living.

Yes, the bible was written by the hands of mankind, along with the extensive debates each books writer had with the congregations of script authoritarians, had much to say about what was and was not included, as well as what books was and was not included. I also have concerns as to why did there need to be an Old Testament, and a New Testament? As to King James Version, that is a questions by the mere statement of "VERSION". Now, it comes to European influences as to what and how the interpretations of the KJV came to form and existence, then, its display 'after" the dark ages.
I think the thing of money and the 10% is about the King vs Clergy. One pays 10% tax (to the King) and 10% tides, (to the Clergy)... So who had the reigning power, because the King has power over the physical functional activities and mobility accessibility of people, and the Clergy had influences on the mental concepts and states of mental influences.
So - each got their 10% and the human being was divided as a being, his motility by the King, and his mentality by the Clergy.
So, the key issue becomes Man and Woman - IF there is a criterion put between a man and woman getting together, it would establish a basis for an economic system that would never end, and being so, this system would force the generation of higher accumulations of money, which in turn increase what 10% will equal both for the King and for the Clergy. It's an economic system that won't end, because the element of man and woman getting together would not end.
Catch point- but also a variable of many factors, is the conditions put on woman to be eligible unto man, and the man to be eligible to woman. Again, an economic generating proposition, but the catch was, the woman had to have and retain virginity for the systems basics to function.
and on and on and one...
Then there were the representations of "models" such as The Priest and the Nuns... yet, they were not allowed to be involved in the collusion of the marriage spectrum because it then makes them part of the economic machine of which is sanctioned by Clergy and King.
and etc..........

Again I say,
a book of instructions on how to live? that these system support the format it influences or is influenced by design to facilitate.
This goes back to : "PARABLES", about Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living, within the models the parables represent to convey interactivity and its potentials of outcomes.

Then one can look at 'competing religions". and their BOOK, such as Koran or Torah or Bible and etc. - each seeking a broader following.
Sadly, each has their points of violence and aims to squash the other for the sake of 'devotional following" in situation, various points and instances of confrontations. The issue of the Koran and its many many points of Its intention to invoke forced adherence and outwards out-lash at those it can't subjugate, is the madness we are in "today's" society dealing with the religion breeding a terrorist manifesto, and seeking by such force and subjugation and terrorist acts to seek to dominate the world population of people.

I say, man may be best served to simply learn_ to honor more of the principles of Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living with other mankind and the world and its environmental realism's, of land, sea and air, and creature and substances of both land, sea and air.

As to Churches- again I'd say:
I think people should be careful with preacher and ministers and be discerning of their interpretations. Deal with principle things, and if it does not connect to the principle in solid format as to the natural order, as to ones sense of Ethics, Morality, Virtue, Grace, Compassion and such things which promote good within mankind and his interactions within his living
then it is time to consider and maybe re-consider the deliverer of the information one interprets.

Above and beyond all this:
I believe there is some superior force which created the whole.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/5/2015 4:19 am

beyond fantasy:

With all due respect, I don't believe in Bible from Genesis to the end. I rather believe we are from Apes (apes have 99.95% DNA similar to human) than "Adam and Eve" story. I don't believe Virgin Mary or Jesus died on cross for our sins. The Bible used the phrase "if you believe in me, you can go to heaven" as an incentive for you to believe. Bible wants you to believe without doubts that is for children. Just like little kids believe in Santa Claus who will deliver gifts in one night to all the people in the world. I don't believe god's existence. Why didn't your god appear to stop those stupid ISIL to kill innocent people? Why didn't god appear before tragedies occur?

That Bible is poorly written. It took me about 50 years to realize it. I refused to believe any further. Every time I saw people put a sign "Lord is our saver" and yelling and shouting on the streets, I just shake my head in disbelief.

I don't believe in Koran or Torah or any other religion books either. I have believed in Bible for too long. I have my own thoughts and changed. I love life and enjoy our one life on earth.

I don't want to change anyone but don't want to be changed either. I am NOT yet to be atheist because I leave a little miracle hope, if you can tell your god to talk to me or I see a miracle from a tragedy. Until then, I am an agnostic.



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/4/2015 2:36 pm

I don't believe in god, devil, heaven or hell. I don't believe in "Adam and Eve" story. I don't believe in past life, future life, or reincarnation, ... I don't believe in "future teller". I don't believe in Bible, Koran or Torah, .... those are myth and fiction written by human more than 2020 years ago.

I believe in science. I believe earth is round (oval) shape, the "Big Bang" theory, the solar system and dinosaurs existed approx. 65.5 million years ago. I went to see the museum that display dinosaurs skeletons in tar pits on Wiltshire Blvd in Los Angeles. I also went to Utah state and saw they are digging dinosaurs. I believe dinosaur extinction event was caused by a comet, asteroid or meteor impact. In the 1990s, scientists located the massive Chicxulub Crater at the tip of Mexico’s Yucatán Peninsula. I saw "National Geographic Society" on TV about this theory.

Anthropologist has found HUMAN skeleton that approx. 10,000 yrs ago. Why Jesus was born only 2015 years ago? China has more than 5,000 yrs history, but Jesus was born after that? Do you really believe Maria was a virgin and god told her husband "Do NOT touch her, she will have my baby" named Jesus? Did anyone check her virginity? That was quoted from my podiatrist MD who is a Caucasian atheist Jewish. We were all born from our parents and our children were born from us. Generations after generations. What Adam and Eve story in Bible? Don't make me laugh at that story.

My banker said in emails "Religions are superstition". He goes to Catholic church sometimes because he has good memory at church during childhood and religion is supposed to teach people good. He believes "God helps those help themselves". That is all. He doesn't believe in Bible, Koran or Torah, ... Of course, he has learned Bible since young and read of it. He is still a Catholic but NOT religious anymore.

My PhD physicist is a pure atheist. We were born and raised and been influenced by parents first and when we grew-up, we changed as he emailed me said. He is very intelligent person. He is retired so have emails with me many times a day.

laogui is an exception. He was born and raised as an atheist.



Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
12/4/2015 5:04 am

[quote] Religion is supposed to teach us to be good people. There is supposed a “mighty god” who can create human, make miracles, and if you believe in him, you can go to heaven after death. Do you know how many religions in the world? I have Indian pharmacists worked with me, they told me in India alone they have more than 100 different religions, some even believe in snakes or rats and feed those animals in temples. As you may know, ISIL “educate” young boys and young men to fight, to kill, when they were very young. Religions really can influence and change people. ISIL and Al-Qaeda told those stupid young men if they kill Westerner, they can go to heaven and 72 virgin girls. We know it is ridiculous, but they don’t know because they have been “brainwashed”. [/quote]

I think this 72 virgin things has to be the stupidest thing imaginable, 'what the heck can a dead body do with a virgin or a non virgin"... It's the most insidious thing imaginable. and if there was some reincarnation of spirit, what use would the concept of virgin have to do with spirit, when spirit in that context is not a body that exist as a body on earth.

but mankind can be made to believe many things, One thing for sure, death is finite, now what happens to the spirit that kept the body functioning, no one has an conclusive proof of where it goes or what it does.

the best thing for the human being, is to try to live good. (now what does "good entail", is another expanse on the subject).


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
12/4/2015 4:52 am

Well I don't believe in the big bang theory, and I believe there is some superior force which created the whole. It did not just "explode" and form itself into such synchronicity without some force being at the core of it.
The intricate nature of the human being, animals, plants and the whole of things is too complex and much to functionally structured and designed to just have happened all by itself.

We don't know enough about the universe to claim it a series of random acts, We don't even know if there are living beings within other parts. We don't even know if beings long ago came here as some mining groups from various other galaxies, and were given a book of instructions on how to live?
We don't know lots of things.
But for me, I do believe that Earth for example is not just something that happen out of randomness.

We get people speculating about the world million of years ago, and they cannot have anything conclusive but they have much conjecture and suppositions.

Man can't recreate "dirt" and something as simple as dirt seems, it is very powerful because without it, we would perish. The season change and impacts how the earth functions. I don't think that's some random act, it follows a pattern and has done so as long as human beings can document.

I think people should be careful with preacher and ministers, and be discerning of their interpretations. Deal with principle things, and if it does not connect to the principle in solid format as to the natural order, then it is time to consider the deliverer of the information one interprets.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/3/2015 7:12 pm

My PhD physicist friend is an atheist, a podiatrist MD in Beverly Hills is an atheist Jewish, a retired orthodontist is also an atheist Jewish, my banker CEO friend is a Catholic but doesn't believe in Bible, Koran, or Torah, .... We all have post-graduated education. We know Bible, Koran or Torah are all written by human. Those are fiction, myth. We are atheist / agnostic but we are good people. Religions can divide people because different beliefs in different gods.

One particular guy who posted a "poem" on here said atheists are "baby killers" promote ab*ortion that his twist mind indicated atheists are "baby killers" that is simply NOT TRUE.

Do you think your Christian god is much superior than any other god? Please let your god put down the weapons of ISIL. If your god can do that I will be a very faithful Christian.




Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3276 posts
12/3/2015 12:16 am

    Quoting  :

laogui:

Are you still an atheist? You probably have been ridiculed by Christian classmates most of time because you are different from them.



Honesty is the best policy.