1ClassyLady 66F
3311 posts
1/23/2019 10:00 am
Shutdown, Day 33: House Democrats will make new offer to Trump to reopen government

House Democratic leaders are drafting a letter to President Donald Trump that would propose roughly $5 billion in border security – if the president agrees to reopen the government.

The proposal does not include money for any “new structures” along the southern border as the president has demanded, so it is unlikely to move as is. But it is still significant because it is the first time Democratic leadership will broadly lay out what they might accept in a compromise to end the partial government shutdown, now in its 33rd day.

“It’s a starting point. You know, I think we all want border security. There is no question about it," Mississippi Rep. Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, told reporters Wednesday. "It’s just that some of the things that are being pursued in the name of border security we disagree with.”

Thompson said he is involved in drafting the letter, which he expects to come from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

“No new structures, the only thing we are talking about is existing structures, along with the judges and some other things,” Thompson said. He said there would be money for “some new” Customs and Border Protection agents and to bolster ports of entry.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters the letter hasn't been finalized, but "we are prepared to spend a very substantial sum of money because we share the view that borders need to be secure."

The letter "is not a negotiation," Hoyer said. "The letter is going to articulate what we believe is effective investment to accomplish border security."

Thompson said protections for so-called "Dreamers," undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as , are not included in the proposal.

Trump offered a proposal that would include temporary protections for Dreamers as well as refugees who had previously been given Temporary Protected Status in the United States in exchange for $5.7 billion for his wall along the southern border. The president's proposal would make it harder for minors from Central America to seek asylum, an idea Democrats oppose.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has scheduled a vote to begin debate on the president’s proposal Thursday. If that fails to get the 60 votes required, a bill that would fund all of the remaining government agencies through Feb. 8.

The Democratic-controlled House has already passed that bill, but Trump has said he would veto it. It is unclear if either bill will make it through the Senate.

The news that House Democrats will make a new offer to Trump comes one day after a letter began circulating from centrist Democrats calling on Pelosi to offer a vote on Trump’s border wall in exchange for his support to reopen the government. The wall is unlikely to pass the Democratic-controlled House.

“What we’re trying to say is we need to return to regular order, we need to open the government, we need to take these issues to committee, we need to analyze them in a facts-based way,” said Rep. Elaine Luria, D-Va., the lawmaker who has taken the lead on drafting the letter. “In my letter, I’ve suggested a timeline, and I’m moving forward with some other colleagues who share the same views.”

But Luria, who represents a district Trump won in 2016, dismissed any notion that those on the letter were breaking with their leadership.

“This (letter) is very much in line with what we were just discussing in the caucus meeting,” Luria said after Democrats met Wednesday morning.

“I don’t think there’s any division” within the caucus, Luria said.




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1ClassyLady 66F
3159 posts
1/25/2019 10:57 pm

    Quoting beyondfantasy3:
    For America to allow him to remain in office is a Travesty upon and against the integrity of the nation and the people. We allow the desecration of the Office of the Presidency and the Dismantling of our Cabinet Offices.

    How can it be our sworn defenders in congress and those in the ranks and retired from the military who risk their lives and the devastation of their families, not be enraged at a war upon America being conducted from within the Office of the Presidency. Trump has tried by every means to turn us into a Russian Influenced Puppet State.

    The same as Mussolinii did to northern Italy.
    (see Wikipedia)
    Mussolini's foremost priority was the subjugation of the minds of the Italian people through the use of propaganda. The regime promoted a lavish cult of personality centered on the figure of Mussolini. He pretended to incarnate the new fascist Übermensch, promoting an aesthetic of exasperated Machism that attributed to him quasi-divine capacities.[105] At various times after 1922, Mussolini personally took over the ministries of the interior, foreign affairs, colonies, corporations, defense, and public works. Sometimes he held as many as seven departments simultaneously, as well as the premiership. He was also head of the all-powerful Fascist Party and the armed local fascist militia, the MVSN or "Blackshirts", who terrorized incipient resistance in the cities and provinces. He would later form the OVRA, an institutionalized secret police that carried official state support. In this way he succeeded in keeping power in his own hands and preventing the emergence of any rival. (Trump uses the Red MAGA Hat's.)

    Mussolini was an admirer of Friedrich Nietzsche. ( believed that morality, per se, is not bad; it is good for the masses, and should be left to them Exceptional people, on the other hand, should follow their own "inner law") According to Denis Mack Smith, "In Nietzsche he found justification for his crusade against the Christian virtues of humility, resignation, charity, and goodness." He valued Nietzsche's concept of the superman, "The supreme egoist who defied both God and the masses, who despised egalitarianism and democracy, who believed in the weakest going to the wall and pushing them if they did not go fast enough."
President Trump signed short-term to end government shutdown for 35 days. However, it is only good till February 15, 2019. If White House and Congress and Senate can't reach an agreement by Feb 14, Trump will shutdown government again or use his presidential authority to call for "national emergency" to build the wall. Then the drama will start all over again.

This temporary reopen the government only has 21 days. Trump promises the federal workers can get their paychecks ASAP.
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When I traveled to Italy from Oct 15 to Nov 19, 2018, I joined with 4 different groups (Tuscany/ Umbrea, Rome, Vatican, Sicily). All the Italian tour leaders mentioned Mussolini and they all shown their anger toward Mussolini. When we passed any Mussolini style buildings, tour leaders criticized those "ugly" buildings are Mussolini style. I know Mussolini is Fascism. That's all. I need to Google Mussolini and know more about him. Sorry, I don't know much about Mussolini, but I know Italians hate him. I will study him more and get back to you.



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beyondfantasy3 111M
4737 posts
1/25/2019 5:37 pm

For America to allow him to remain in office is a Travesty upon and against the integrity of the nation and the people. We allow the desecration of the Office of the Presidency and the Dismantling of our Cabinet Offices.

How can it be our sworn defenders in congress and those in the ranks and retired from the military who risk their lives and the devastation of their families, not be enraged at a war upon America being conducted from within the Office of the Presidency. Trump has tried by every means to turn us into a Russian Influenced Puppet State.

The same as Mussolinii did to northern Italy.
(see Wikipedia)
Mussolini's foremost priority was the subjugation of the minds of the Italian people through the use of propaganda. The regime promoted a lavish cult of personality centered on the figure of Mussolini. He pretended to incarnate the new fascist Übermensch, promoting an aesthetic of exasperated Machism that attributed to him quasi-divine capacities.[105] At various times after 1922, Mussolini personally took over the ministries of the interior, foreign affairs, colonies, corporations, defense, and public works. Sometimes he held as many as seven departments simultaneously, as well as the premiership. He was also head of the all-powerful Fascist Party and the armed local fascist militia, the MVSN or "Blackshirts", who terrorized incipient resistance in the cities and provinces. He would later form the OVRA, an institutionalized secret police that carried official state support. In this way he succeeded in keeping power in his own hands and preventing the emergence of any rival. (Trump uses the Red MAGA Hat's.)

Mussolini was an admirer of Friedrich Nietzsche. ( believed that morality, per se, is not bad; it is good for the masses, and should be left to them Exceptional people, on the other hand, should follow their own "inner law") According to Denis Mack Smith, "In Nietzsche he found justification for his crusade against the Christian virtues of humility, resignation, charity, and goodness." He valued Nietzsche's concept of the superman, "The supreme egoist who defied both God and the masses, who despised egalitarianism and democracy, who believed in the weakest going to the wall and pushing them if they did not go fast enough."


1ClassyLady 66F
3159 posts
1/25/2019 10:00 am

Significant flight delays were rippling across the Northeast on January 25, 2019 because of shortage of air traffic controllers as a result of the government shutdown, according to the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration).

La Guardia was the only airport that had been closed off to departing flights from other cities because it was so crowded with planes taking off and landing on weekday morning. Delays on flights into La Guardia were averaging almost an hour and a half, the F.A.A. said.



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 66F
3159 posts
1/24/2019 11:45 pm

    Quoting woaini1947:
    This government shutdown should be illegal. 800,000 American citizens and their families are suffering because this jackass we have in the oval office wants a border wall? He is supposedly a billionaire. If he wants the wall so bad let the fool at least partially fund it himself. The last thing the American public needs is for this wall to get built and one day turn on CNN and see photos of a tunnel that had been constructed to circumvent the wall.

    Instead of wasting tax-payer dollars on deploying troops to countries where we are unwelcome, let the military patrol the border. Thousands of armed military personnel would deter a lot of illegal immigration.

    The jerk has thousands of citizens wondering where their next meal is coming from or how they are going to make their next house payment, pay school tuition or repair their damaged credit rating while that overweight slob is planning his next buffet.

    A law should be passed by Congress that no one man can shutdown the government. We are all fallible and allowing one person to have that much power.
Trump made "Fugazi promise" to build border wall and Mexico will pay for it during 2016 campaign announcement. Now Trump wants to fulfill his promise, so, he asked Congress and Senate to fund 5.7 billion, or else, he will shutdown the government. So, he shutdown the government that has been 34 days long. The 800,000 federal employees without pay for over a month. They can't meet the ends meet to pay mortgage payment or rent or food on the table.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said "unpaid federal workers shouldn't need food banks, they can just get a loan". He is so "out of touch".

Ross acknowledged that he had heard that some federal workers affected by the prolonged shutdown have been going to shelters for food, but said he didn't understand why.

"I know they are [going to homeless shelters] and I don't really quite understand why because as I mentioned before, the obligations that they would undertake – say borrowing from a bank or credit union – are in effect federally guaranteed," said Ross. "So the 30 days of pay that people will be out – there's no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it and we've seen a number of ads from the financial institutions doing that."

Banks and credit unions are offering affected workers interest-free loans to cover part or all of their paychecks, he said.

"When you think about it, these are basically government-guaranteed loans because the government has committed, these folks will get back pay once this whole thing gets settled down," Ross said. "So there really is not a good excuse why there should be a liquidity crisis. Now true, the people might have to pay a little bit of interest but the idea that it's paycheck or zero is not a really valid idea."

To make things even worse, President Trump suggested Thursday that grocery stores and banks will give a break to the 800,000 federal workers who are without pay due to the partial government shutdown.

Trump was responding to a question about comments Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross made hours earlier. Ross had prompted a wave of criticism after he claimed not to understand why furloughed workers were visiting food banks and suggested they take out a loan to cover their lost wages.

Trump said he hadn’t heard Ross’s statement but acknowledged that “perhaps he should have said it differently.”

He claimed that grocery stores would “work along” with furloughed employees because “they know the people” and have been “dealing with them for years.”

“Local people know who they are, when they go for groceries and everything else,” Trump said of furloughed workers. “And I think what Wilbur was probably trying to say is that they will work along.”

Trump added that banks, too, are “working along” with furloughed federal employees.

“If you have mortgages, the mortgagees, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work along. And that’s what happens in a time like this,” he said.

With the partial government shutdown in its 34th day Thursday, many of the thousands of workers affected nationwide are scrambling to make ends meet, with some finding themselves turning to charity for the first time.

Ross and Trump are billionaires. They are so "out of touch" about people paycheck to paycheck lives. They don't have "empathy" for the employees work for government.

I heard TSA (Transportation Safety Administration) approx. 30% quit their jobs and the airplanes delay hours. It is unsafe to travel at this time.



Honesty is the best policy.


woaini1947 59M
3973 posts
1/24/2019 12:14 pm

This government shutdown should be illegal. 800,000 American citizens and their families are suffering because this jackass we have in the oval office wants a border wall? He is supposedly a billionaire. If he wants the wall so bad let the fool at least partially fund it himself. The last thing the American public needs is for this wall to get built and one day turn on CNN and see photos of a tunnel that had been constructed to circumvent the wall.

Instead of wasting tax-payer dollars on deploying troops to countries where we are unwelcome, let the military patrol the border. Thousands of armed military personnel would deter a lot of illegal immigration.

The jerk has thousands of citizens wondering where their next meal is coming from or how they are going to make their next house payment, pay school tuition or repair their damaged credit rating while that overweight slob is planning his next buffet.

A law should be passed by Congress that no one man can shutdown the government. We are all fallible and allowing one person to have that much power.


1ClassyLady 66F
3159 posts
1/23/2019 9:35 pm

I make sure NOT travel to Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, maybe including Brazil until those countries are safe.



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 66F
3159 posts
1/23/2019 11:08 am

Trump announced to enter 2016 Presidential election and said "Mexico Not Sending Us Their Best; Criminals, Drug Dealers And Are Crossing Border." He said Mexicans will pay for the cost of building the border walls. From my understanding of the recent border illegal migrants are mainly from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. Mexicans are not among them and Mexico has never promised to pay for the walls.

So, Trump asked U.S. Congress and Senate to pay for the wall and the amount kept increasing. The negotiation between Trump and Nancy Pelosi (House), Chuck Schumer (Senate) was failed. The partial government shutdown started since Dec 22, 2018. Total estimate 800,000 Federal workers missed paychecks to pay their mortgage payments and living expenses. The White House and Congress and Senate standoff may effect U.S. economy, if the shutdown keeps going on.

I wonder "How come those gangsters and drug cartels in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala became U.S. problems?" Those Central Americans should solve their problems in their countries. Their governments should know how to arrest the criminals, destroy drug cartels, ... Trump should talk to the presidents of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala to stop the crime in their countries. Their problems are not U.S. business to take care of their people to come to USA. The root of the problems of Central Americans is not the border walls can stop.

God helps those who help themselves, so, those Central Americans should take care of themselves but not come to U.S. for protection or asylum. U.S.A is not responsible for Central America's crime, drug cartels, killing, .... Let their problems remain in their countries.



Honesty is the best policy.