beyondfantasy3 113M
2012 posts
11/15/2013 4:38 am
China announces major economic and social reforms


China released a raft of detailed reform plans on Friday, promising sweeping changes to the economy and the country's social fabric as it seeks to unleash new sources of growth after three decades of breakneck expansion show signs of faltering.

A reform document released by the Communist Party following a four-day conclave of its top leaders said China would accelerate capital account convertibility, scrap residency restrictions in small cities and townships, integrate urban and rural social security systems and push forward with an environmental tax, among many other measures.

China will also ease its family planning policies and abolish a controversial labor camp system, according to the document, the official Xinhua news agency said on Friday.

The document was approved by the leaders' meeting. In an initial communique they had promised "decisive" results by 2020.

"Whilst further assessment and detail is needed, the policy moves on the surface appear to be a sizable step in the right direction," said Keith Bowman, equity analysts at Hargreaves Lansdown.

"Any actions which aid the domestic Chinese economy and therefore help re-balance the global economy should be welcomed with open arms."

The statement was in line with a leaked document that circulated widely on social media earlier, helping fuel the stock market's strongest rally in two months.

China's economy has grown at a double digit rate for three decades but the government expects the rate of expansion to slip to 7.5 percent this year, the weakest pace in 23 years.

The reforms are part of government plans to shift the main growth drivers away from investment and exports to services and consumption, more in line with developed economies.

To achieve that, Beijing wants to encourage millions of rural Chinese to move to live in urban areas, but that requires major land and residency reform that currently are seen as impediments to the plan.

(news media)

1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/15/2013 6:20 am

It is about time. They are way behind for 30+ years. However, they don't have democratic policy, political reforms, .... Can economic and social reforms work? They are still communists. Nobody trusts communists. When will a communist country catch up with "Freedom World"?



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/15/2013 6:30 am

The people in Red China don't know "people should have right to vote for their leaders". They only have one political party - Communist. Only one voice. Democracy is bipartisan. People have right to vote for their leaders, so that people have voice.

Nobody likes communist government.




Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/15/2013 8:44 am

About 3 years ago, I dated an "Immigration Attorney" who used me as a free "translator" for a Chinese women who has two daughters in the rural area of Southern China. Her husband beated her up because she didn't give him "son". I educated her "that was NOT your fault, the baby's gender was decided by male sperm". She has NEVER educated, her biological parents sold her to a richer family when she was 7 y/o. When she was 18 y/o, the adapted parents son married her. She completely illiterate (she can only write her name in Chinese). She doesn't understand English or mathematics. Chinese government forced her to clinic to have abortions at least 8 times and she needed to go to clinic to have pregnant test every 2 months. Her husband drunk and had sex with her and then kicked her to try to have abortion himself. He held her hair and threw her against walls, kicked her stomach. The 2nd daughter was born in a jungle in mountain far away from home (her husband's friend lived in the mountain where nobody knows). After birth of her 2nd daughter, that person sent her back to home. When her husband knew, she got another daughter, of course, he beat her up again. The government came to her house and asked for penalty money, but they don't have money to pay, so government agents used the bloom to the ceilings and her 3 bedrooms all fell down and only kitchen left. So, all 4 people lived in kitchen. When raining days, the kitchen leaks.

She told her girlfriend her painful life. Her girlfriend introduced her to a boat owner who asked money to sneak her out of China. Her girlfriend paid the money. One day when her oldest daughter went to school and her husband took her 2nd daughter out. She used that chance to escape from her house with a little clothing and few RMB.

It is a ship with goods on the top and all 8 people (7 men and her) hid in the bottom of the boat. After out of China, they can come out at night. I asked her if anyone her on boat (she is the only woman). She said they have superstition if men woman on the boat, the boat will turn over and all of them will drown. So, she didn't get . After a month or so, the boat reached Mexico. The Goods also loaded in Mexico. All 8 people and the "Sneak Head" all got off the boat. They started to walk, a bus came and they got on for few hours. Then at night time, they walked, through river and mountain for about a week and crossed USA boarder. Finally another bus came to pick them up to Monterey Park, CA in a motel that "Sneak Head" paid $10 per person per night. The "Sneak Head" immediately looked jobs for the guys. The "Sneak Head" told her to wash dishes at restaurant but no restaurant wanted to hire her because she didn't have any "paper" to work. One morning the "Sneak Head" gave her $100 and drove her to a bus stop and paid the fare for her to go to Las Vegas. During her stay in Monterey Park motel, one guy lives near the motel came out to smoke and they chatted. That guy was from the same village but has been in USA for 12 years and had "green card" through "amnesty", so he could work as 2nd chef and took his wife to USA and they have a son 8 y/o. That guy sympathized the woman and gave her a cellphone and programed his cellphone in calling list.

When the woman arrived to Vegas, a man and a woman came to pick her up and put her in a motel room. About 1/2 hour later, a Caucasian man knocked the door and she let him in. Because she doesn't know any English and the Caucasian doesn't know Chinese, so use "hand talk". He waved money to show her. She messaged him for 1/2 hour and then 4 policemen rushed in the motel and arrested her to police station. That Caucasian is an "immigration officer", so released. She was in the jail for 3 days and refused to drink or eat. One day she hand signed that she had "stomachache". The police took her to hospital. The MD gave her some water, and food and IV infusion. The MD said you are Okay and free to go. She stood at hospital door and called the guy who gave her cellphone. That 2nd chef in Monterey park drove 5 hours to hospital to pick her up and found an "immigration attorney" paid money. The attorney is the guy I dated who also has an office in Los Angeles. (2.5 days in Vegas, 2.5 days in L.A.). I also the translator for her "immigration officer" interview. I totally helped them 3 times (twice at law office, once at immigration building). I gave her 4 bags of my clothing. I wanted to keep her in my house but my mom said "No," and the attorney said "No, because afraid of Sneak Head will come to her for money if the Sneak find her at my house. I will have trouble". So, I didn't gave her a room to live. I almost did a wrong thing for sympathy.

After my mom passed, I tried to rent out the room. Lots of women called and said they are 7 months pregnant and only wants to rent for 4 months in order to have an "American baby". Some said they already have "American baby" but needed to take care of baby in my house. I said "no, no, no, I don't rent anyone who doesn't have social security #. (illegal alien) They said the baby will cry at night. I still haven't rent out my mom's room.

USA should send those women back right at airport, don't let pregnant women live in USA. They want USA benefits. I hope USA should know this problem.

Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/15/2013 10:33 am

I hardly could see her crying at law office and immigration office. She was 32 - 38 y/o 3 years ago and her 1st daughter was 13, 2nd daughter was 5. She missed her two daughters but hates her husband. She was a sex slave to her husband and nothing or nobody helped her.

Immigration officer told me they heard the same story many times because China has "ONE CHILD POLICY" When couple have 2nd child, they need to pay penalty money. If NOT paid, they destroy your house. I almost wanted to keep her in my house, but my mom and the attorney said No, don't do that. The Sneak Head will come to punish you.

I was almost traumatized by her story. The attorney said the woman will get her "Permit" for one year to stay in USA and that permit needed to renew every year with "fees". She will need to report to Immigration Office every year through attorney. I have NEVER seen that woman again after 3 times meetings.

If Red China is so good to its people, why people want to come to USA to have American babies??


Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/15/2013 6:42 pm

I told the true story. That woman has been abused by her husband and "ONE CHILD POLICY" She is illiterate in both Chinese and English. I did what I could to help her, but her trouble was more than I can do for her. The 2ndary chef (二廚) helped her a lot, gave her a cellphone, picked her up at Las Vegas hospital from Monterey Park, CA, paid attorney fees, drove her to law office and immigration building, gave her food and a motel room. However, the 2ndary chef can't speak English well, so I helped them to communicate with attorney and immigration officer.

I did what I could, but I don't want to jeopardize my safety.

I don't like communist government because they keep threaten to weapon attack Taiwan to completely defeat in one week. Taiwan has been kicked out of many organizations such as WTO, WHO,and many other society and Olympics just because China has large population and land. Taiwan only have 11 countries that have diplomatic relationship with.

President Jimmy Carter abandoned Taiwan in 1979 and started diplomatic relationship with China. China threatened to attack Taiwan from Air, Sea, and Land (Air Force, Navy and Army). I was lucky that my mom already got her Green Card in 1978, so I got approved to come to USA in 1980. I was a pharmacist in Taiwan and had a stable job. I had to resign the job and came to USA and attended University of Southern California, school of Pharmacy and passed the license exam to become a Calif licensed pharmacist.

At least Taiwan didn't have "Cultural Revolution" and killed or jailed millions of intelligent civilians, shut down "iron curtain", .... Taiwanese people actually want to be independent (just like USA did 200+ years ago) but we are afraid of China use weapon to attack Taiwan, so that we keep quiet. Taiwanese are wealthier per person per sq.ft. than China that's why China wants to take over.

It is a complicate history, so I came to USA and I am an U.S. citizen for many years. I surely don't want to live under the threaten of China weapon attack Taiwan.

To me, China and Taiwan have been divorced since 1949 when President Chiang moved to Taiwan. It has been 64 years, so different sides of people think different ways.

Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/16/2013 7:45 am

It is absolutely impossible that communist China will be the strongest country in the world. You are so wrong, pinkcrystal. No way for China to rule the world. You can dream on but it won't be a reality. Nobody in the free world will give up FREEDOM for communism. Nobody trust communists. This is the basic concept and difference in communism and the rest of free world.

You can ask any American or British, if they will choose in between "Communism" or "Democracy", the answer will be Democracy. Nobody wants to give up their freedom for communism. We have "Presidential Election" to choose our leader, but communist leader was selected by his predecessor NOT by people. That's the concept you don't have in China. That's the major difference. You seem NOT understand the whole system of communism is WRONG. I came to USA for the reason of FREEDOM, not controlled by communist.

Nobody wants to read Mao's Red Book, or Cultural Revolution, sensor the news from outside world,..... I am so sorry you have lived in a communist country and been brainwashed. FREEDOM is on the top of everything. U.S. Constitution says Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Press. Can Chinese people protest communist government? No, ????

As population of China which is really a problem. The people should be educated NOT to have many children. Can China control its population by taking "Birth Control Pills" instead of abortion? I am a pharmacist and know well about Birth Control Pills and condoms to control population and prevent disease. Is that taking birth control pill a better way to control the population than abortion and fine people penalty money to have 2nd child or more?



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/16/2013 8:27 am

The most simple and easiest solution for population control in China is "having birth control pills (or Plan B pills AKA Morning After Pills) for sexual active females, put on condom BEFORE sex for sexual active males." Abortion is too cruel. Fine people "penalty money" will make worse for the poor people.

Educate people that having babies cost a lot of effort and money. I am the one who insists on "Quality" NOT "Quantity".



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/16/2013 4:59 pm

I sincerely hope the Real Estate in China bubble won't burst. I went to China in May of 2008 (3 months before Olympics). I saw they were building lots of tall buildings everywhere in Beijing. I always have keen eyes for Real Estate. I felt that is overdone. The "supply" is surpassed "demand". In order to show off the world that China's GDP percentage, the Chinese leaders overly built too many buildings and overpriced. The "Supply" and "Demand" is out of balance.

Just as I predicted in May 2008, I read many YouTube videos about "ghost town", "ghost cities", "vacant malls", .... in China. There were lots of empty street, empty mall, empty buildings, .... Nobody is buying. More than 63 million units are vacant, but people can't afford to buy those over-priced buildings. I am NOT kidding, or ridicule China, it is very alarming and serious problem. The greatest Real Estate bubble at the upswing about to burst. Please Google to view YouTube video under "China's Ghost Cities and Malls" to see that scaring video by yourself. We are complaining the U.S. real estate bubble in 2008 - 2011, the foreclosure houses, but NOTHING can compare with China's ghost cities, ghost town, apartment, condominiums, empty malls, .....

That's why the Chinese government wants to push the rural citizens to urban cities. However, will that work? I doubt it. I have seen China for 6 nights/7 days, but I have very sharp real estate concept, I know what I saw. This is NOT a joke. Find out the truth yourself.

If Chinese government only wants to show-off the world of their GDP growth without knowing the basic concept of "Supply" and "Demand" have to balance, they are idiot. How can a 2nd greatest economic country, such as China NOT knowing this basic rule of thumb?

You can criticize as much as you want, but I have said the truth. I have seen what I needed to know. This is not a joke. This is alarming dangerous. So, help me God, the great China can solve this "Real Estate bubble" sooner rather than later.

Also please refer to my blog "Real Estate Investment Tips". I don't want to see China crash because they over-built, over-valuation. You can laugh at me now, but I will be the last person to laugh.


Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/16/2013 5:16 pm

The change in policy is about the aging of the population, the % of people over 60 is very high, and the % of people under 14 is very low... The policy change is about what is the future. China currently in the midst of its growth, it has high reliance on a very large transient immigrant work force. It is now considering how to improve its numbers for the future as it's current mid age population approaches the retirement age. It knows that it will need to improve it's birth rate of newborns now, if it expect to be able to support an aging population in the next 25 years forward. Right this very moment, many of the participant in this web-portal, will be 60-70+ in 25 yrs, and this is only a microcosm of the bigger picture. China is not unaware that this means, many other reforms will come over time, because the coming youth generation will be farther and farther from the ideals of Mao, and they will demand more freedoms. Much of this conversation in the post has missed addressing any of these elements and factors.

Look at other World Nations examples of this very same thinking:

(Germany is so far ahead in this thinking, it has many built in provision to currently help support expecting mothers. it understand the need for an improvement in youth population)

These matters that each of you is turning into a competitive battle of mutual insults, does not affect that the policy change, nor the fact that it will proceed as planned. but many of you are missing the big picture of all... as to what does it mean as to nations preparing for the future and the changes the future will bring.

China does not make change swiftly, nor could any nation with more than a billion people, with a mass of diverse language and cultural group sectors which make up the collective of what is China. But China is wise enough, as is many other nations, to know that it has to take account of what exist and the conditions and many variables and put in place policy changes to prepare itself for what come with the future. With a billion people, change comes by generations, who make slight adjustments by decades, but it takes up to 25 yrs to turn over a generation.... on a nationalized scale as to what is a generation.

The world is many things, Look at the true break down of Political system, even in this very USA, that claims itself as a Democracy,,
how much so, is that true over the history of the USA.
but ... what would one consider to have been the political stature of a nation which embraced and supported slavery and segregation?

It was: a ethnicity based socialist communialism form of Communism used as a containment and management by political manner in the control and subjugation of non white ethnic people, by white people; being processed and propagated under the banner of Autocratic in the sense of being a authoritarian manner over and against non white ethnic people, where one race considered itself to function like a Monarchy over another race, which in doing so became a Dictatorial system where an ethnic white group acted like Dictators against people of non white ethnicity, and that was managed under a political manner as Republic.
ALL OF THESE THINGS existed under what is called a Democracy. yet it was an Oligarchy, who awarded themselves the cover of Democracy, to subject non whites to all these forms of Political Systems. Today, it is a Oligarchy controlled by Corporate Entities, which is control by the wealthy elite, who promote Candidate by what? Political contribution.

In this current day, with President Obama, why there is so much anguish in the white establishment, is because he was elected more by the people than by corporate contribution. People could not digest how he used the Internet to gain contribution by average citizen who support a Democracy and valued their voice in a democracy, and by their support they out performed the Canididate who were running with the backing of the wealthy elite and the corporate structure.

They not only hate his skin color, because it goes against all the various political system that this nation has used over generations to contain and downplay non whites, it goes against the established Oligarchy who have for generations put whom they wanted in office to do what they wanted done.

President Obama, got into office to support Democracy as being Democracy, he came in and said, Let's bring back diplomacy in how we deal with the world, he said, lets rebuild from the bottom up, so everyone has a fair chance... This all goes against the Oligarchy who have controlled the manner of Democracy they wanted to promote... where it applied to the white society and benefited the wealthy moreso, and was only appeasing to non whites.

His election upset the apple cart of the elite. Their vile toward him is without bounds. But in our generation of life, he is the First President who has been appointed by a Democratic process where the voice of the people spoke louder than the power of the wealthy and the screams of the corporations.

They hate the health care policy, because it pushes for corporations (Insurance and Medicine empires) to be of service to people, rather than people serving the corporations (Insurance and Medicine empires).

When a blow is stuck against the insurance companies in favor of the people, it also is a blow to the banks who control the economy and its performance, because the banks rely on mutual underwriting from the Insurance companies.

Therefore the hatred of True Democracy, is a direct aim leveled against President Obama, because he supports a true Democracy. He supports a democracy, that is not a pretentious cover for covert programs of Monarchy, Ethnic based Communism, and Ethnic based Dictatorship, and a true democracy does not tolerate not lend itself to the controls by any Oligarchy. An Oligarchy, detest a government of True Democracy, which is built and made to supports regulatory management of the Democratic System and its modus operandi. as a Democracy which performs to support and benefit ALL its people.

We have so many anti government groups in this USA, and we have Political party system within this Democracy, which would like to return it to white based Oligarchy, with as much of the elements of Monarchy, Dictatorship and Communistic controls over and against non whites and poor people and women of all ethnicity. If people truly remember... White Male Society considered himself the only person, and he considered himself the only one who could vote. Women were not allowed to vote, and non whites were considered as 3/5 of a person only to support the position of the white Oligarchy's choice.

Many American fail to think as deep or as clearly, because the elites who control the Media is intent to keep them distorted by drama and manufactured crisis, to distract them from seeing the truths.

Political scholars are script and cloned trained to promote a Oligarchic system under the pretense of being a Democracy. so that is what they promote in their rhetoric.

the election of President Obama is the voice of the people, saying they want a True Democracy.... and since that day he was elected the old style Oligarchic System has been in full assault on him and this Presidency every since, they even now insult the mere office of the President.
The Oligarchic system is driven by Capitalism, which is designed to usurp True Democracy .....

If America would like other nations to view and appreciate what is a True Democracy, it has to "first" become a True Democracy.

When President Obama spoke of Change, this is the Change he spoke of, but the Oligarchic system was and is dead set against it.

People need to become truly in-depth aware of observance of political systems and know how and what it is.

Now, as to China, it has similar elements, because it is not 100% Communist, Hong Kong acts and functions as of Democratic processes, Taiwan acts and functions as of Democratic processes, many of the Major Industrial Centers functions as Oligarchic system with some democratic tonalities mixed within it...
China's form of Communism is far different from the former Soviet Style of Communism, it equally so functions far different from the many other former and current styles of communism which exist about the world. It is in this day and age, the most successful Communist system that has ever existed, and yet it is not 100% Communistic.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/16/2013 5:41 pm

Don't tell me ONLY THE CHINESE IN MAINLAND KNOW CHINA. We, as a foreigner, also know the problems in China. I know your language too.

When a frog at the bottom of a well looks up the sky, the sky he saw is as big as the diameter of the well. 坐井觀天 We, as onlookers, know how big is the sky, the universe. GoingWithTheFlow will agree with me.

As the problem of China's population, please tell your government to distribute "Birth Control Pills", "Plan B pills" to the teenager girls up to 60 y/o women. The pills are very safe without side effects and they can enjoy sex lives without worry about pregnancies. The "Birth Contraceptive pills" can save your government lots of money and problems. Most women in Western countries using birth control pills many, many years. I am a pharmacist.



Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/16/2013 6:57 pm

    Quoting  :

It 's very funny that the American government has the most remarks on the disadvantages of China , but borrowed the largest amount of money from China .

Why did the American peopel have the largest amount of debts from China since they have the best government and should be able to solve their own problems ?


This is a technical Monetary policy program agreement.

It stems from the Bretton Woods Accord post World War II, and extends past those Accords to the IMF and other International Agreements as it relates to Trade and Finance.

It is many ways afford China the accessibility to ultra high volumes of exports, and the buying of US Bonds and Supporting Lending for the Amounts that fall short of Bond Purchase, and fall short of China's ability to Import as much from those it exports to. That is due to China not to date having developed it's internal consumer markets to be able to support high volume purchase of imported goods. China is still struggling to find ways to improve its Chinese people to first be able to purchase Chinese Goods.

These are called "International functional Monetary Offsets"..

read as I posted in a previous blog, that the $1 Trillion cash surplus China has, is small in comparison to the national population and the needs of the populations, it China had to draw upon those surplus funds to support itself without the gains from exports, it would not survive long with a surplus. The daily, monthly and quarterly expenditure it cost "China to support its public needs is tremendous, and would consume those funds in a very short time.

It is far different if you look at many factors, If the US re-instated tariffs and set trade quotas to be in equal balance, in no time, the US would be re-industrialized and its wealth holding would skyrocket astronomically, because it would then retain all the 30 billion surplus it spend with China Monthly, as well as it would diminish the among below the surplus, and that money would re-circulate in the America Economy... and with only 300 million people, the US wealthy would be multiplied in the dwarfing % it has over China. In America, in many States, the Industrial Facilities still exist in many cities, and can within a very short time be put back into production mode. Many of those properties have been preserved in reasonable conditions which would require some modifications, but not a complete structural rebuild.

It is not to the global advantage for America to do that, Not only for the sake of America, but for the sake of every other nation as well, because if all nations are not advancing, then the world becomes more war like and many other factors that bring divides and conflicts, not to mention a great battle waged for natural resources... Currently the pursuit of resources functions with a level of civility even in the turbulence that would vanish very quickly, if nations went into full mode protectionism's of such.
In part China is buying accessibility for its exports in the volumes that it exports. Therefore it is within benefit to China to uphold and even at stages improve its Lending activity in these regards.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/16/2013 7:04 pm

    Quoting  :

This does in parable principle context make much sense. to address the point... We each have value and we each have problem's and challenges and in the context of such, we need each other as nations in the global sense of our world and lives.

That, put in context of basic truths of a multiplex of variables far and beyond what we currently focus upon... Presents a reality, that our respective nations have many plus and many negatives each.

And both, are in a point and phase of realizations of itself respectively so, that each is making changes based on the nature of its national contextual variables each respectfully has to consider in a very multiplex set of considerations upon a compounded set of variables., as well as address the perspective future that each must make ways beyond what we as individual currently see in our daily lives.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/16/2013 7:18 pm

    Quoting 1ClassyLady:
    I sincerely hope the Real Estate in China bubble won't burst. I went to China in May of 2008 (3 months before Olympics). I saw they were building lots of tall buildings everywhere in Beijing. I always have keen eyes for Real Estate. I felt that is overdone. The "supply" is surpassed "demand". In order to show off the world that China's GDP percentage, the Chinese leaders overly built too many buildings and overpriced. The "Supply" and "Demand" is out of balance.

    Just as I predicted in May 2008, I read many YouTube videos about "ghost town", "ghost cities", "vacant malls", .... in China. There were lots of empty street, empty mall, empty buildings, .... Nobody is buying. More than 63 million units are vacant, but people can't afford to buy those over-priced buildings. I am NOT kidding, or ridicule China, it is very alarming and serious problem. The greatest Real Estate bubble at the upswing about to burst. Please Google to view YouTube video under "China's Ghost Cities and Malls" to see that scaring video by yourself. We are complaining the U.S. real estate bubble in 2008 - 2011, the foreclosure houses, but NOTHING can compare with China's ghost cities, ghost town, apartment, condominiums, empty malls, .....

    That's why the Chinese government wants to push the rural citizens to urban cities. However, will that work? I doubt it. I have seen China for 6 nights/7 days, but I have very sharp real estate concept, I know what I saw. This is NOT a joke. Find out the truth yourself.

    If Chinese government only wants to show-off the world of their GDP growth without knowing the basic concept of "Supply" and "Demand" have to balance, they are idiot. How can a 2nd greatest economic country, such as China NOT knowing this basic rule of thumb?

    You can criticize as much as you want, but I have said the truth. I have seen what I needed to know. This is not a joke. This is alarming dangerous. So, help me God, the great China can solve this "Real Estate bubble" sooner rather than later.

    Also please refer to my blog "Real Estate Investment Tips". I don't want to see China crash because they over-built, over-valuation. You can laugh at me now, but I will be the last person to laugh.

about "ghost town", "ghost cities", "vacant malls", .... in China. There were lots of empty street, empty mall, empty buildings, .... Nobody is buying. More than 63 million units are vacant, but people can't afford to buy those over-priced buildings.

the sad truths of these facilities and homes is that many people, bought these units with hopes of making a huge profit, China has to manage tightly its reale state lending, to avert the house flipping that took down so many nations, as a result these units were left vacant, because the banks could not take the risk that the 'house flipping game would have created'... It is currently seeking means to address this, ( see comments I posted on this in another blog.. China becomes the most popular location to live for expatriates the post starts with the phrase "Look at the past 40 years of China's Growth".
the excerpt
[I]Instead, they began to rebuild their infrastructure, tear down and rebuild sectors for the people. ( the sad part is those who did make gains in the new era, began to "hoard" these new developments, hoping to cash in on a housing bubble", but China again put that in a suspended mode, many people bought some of those properties, and those properties still sit 'unoccupied", because greed made them unaffordable, and if it had allow it's real-estate market to go crazy, it would have crashed like the western real estate market did...

Now many of those people hold those properties with a vain hope that it will some day be a cash cow. China can control that because it can make mortgage lending stringent until the prices of those units come down or the owners realize that up keep and stagnant capital results to equal a loss.

China learned a lot, it watched the British rip them blind for decades, it watched the rise and fall of many other nations, from Britain, Japan and the Soviet System, as well as the latter day US economic greed led downfall of 2008.

It has strategized to work to avert the housing crash and knows that it must act to manage the projections to populate these areas, but not at the profit rates those who bought and held this expected to gain. It's wage structure does not support the expectations of the speculators who bought with vain homes of making a windfall profit.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/16/2013 7:19 pm

pinkcrystal:

A bitch and a dog are usually working together .

A bitch should marry only a dog.

This is the common sense .
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Watch you language, young girl. Who taught you to say those non-respectful words??? I refused to talk to you. I am very disappointed about you.



Honesty is the best policy.


experience2013 51F

11/17/2013 3:53 am

    Quoting  :

hi,woaini,The United States of America is a rich country, has rich resources, immigration outstanding,The United States is good,But the world only one the United States of America.Open our eyes have a look the majority of developing countries, their people have what kind of life.Not every country is so lucky that make the people to live a happy life.We live in the mainland of China, we start from what go up to now, We know best .Many Chinese immigrants are very good, to the United States of America is very favorable. The United States government is welcoming them to,The United States accounted for a relatively advantageous position in the world pattern. Hope you can understand this point.


experience2013 51F

11/17/2013 4:20 am

    Quoting  :

hi,Trusty,Your comments are very reasonable, good understanding of China's one-child policy.Unlike some people, put this policy interpretation so wide of the mark.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/17/2013 6:48 am

As time passes prejudices and biases diminish in their loud roar... I as being what is called a black American, know well the trips of prejudices and biases as well as bigotry and the encroachments driven by the illusionary white superiority complexes.
I have written many times before, about the economic shifts and its impact on ethnicity... based bigotry.
During the 1970's the focus was on Arab Immigrations, because we were as America in a Oil crisis; the doors to Arab immigration was opened wide. In the 1980's it was the influx of Japanese upon the auto market and consumer goods, which put Japan as a economic powerhouse, at that time the favor was focused upon the Japanese. During that time, the Chinese were ill considered on these levels, as were the Koreans. Conversely, the focus gave much attention to Taiwan even after it had began to see the rise of Mainland China., because Taiwan was growing as a tech power base, and even the Philippines as the Philippines was in part connected due to historical unity via the Navy base and other factors, along with their training in the nursing field.
India, was on the radar in the 1990's becoming the base for telecommunication as an influx of call centers, which later became a focus on tech students from India who had advanced in their computer expertise, but many textile items were also being imported from India.

Then came the focus on China, as the Textiles and many other commodity reproduction centers presented low wage labor and mass productions.
Now much focus is upon China, with mixed reviews, because in one sense the embrace of the high production and low labor cost, which resulted to transfer great wealth to China, this quickly turned to China being the powerhouse of both consumer good production and Capital reserves.
Other areas within Malaysia became powerful financial centers for the Asian Pacific region.
With the changes, each time, the focus encompassed the women of these areas, and the introduction of them in the world concept as being pursued mate choices by Western Entities.

Even today in the US, Commercials that use to feature, Japanese, now feature Chinese, both in TV and Print Media. as well as many present images of mixed race Chinese and other mix race of Asian ethnicity.
In the 1980's and 90's people began to give more focus to Asian decor items in their homes.

China receives the same concept pressures that Japan received. Example, when Japan was the top exporter to the US, as industrial centers change, much backlash came about Japanese goods, as time passed, Japan became now known for quality goods.
The same is the cycle which has hit China, first the desire and lust for the mass produced goods, then the backlash because of the transfer of industrial centers, and now some sectors of China, is learning that to sustain their position, they must consider higher quality goods. The transfer of tech information was more highly demanded by China, so as to try and move itself from a low grade mass reproduction center, to only of quality goods.
There remains the opposing governmental ideologies, at some levels, but at the higher levels, they know there is a mix within composition of what is Communism, it is known that it is not 100% the old concepts of Communism and that is has made many changes.

Yes, faster changes is demanded both internally in China and from Abroad, but it is China which must and it is China which does structure its changes both with outside influence as well as with its Party decision as to what aspects of Change at any given time and in what progression these Changes will be initiated.

In some ways the world expects what it does not always consider the full spectrum of variables.
EXAMPLE: In America the expectation that inb 49 years that black people should as a whole be on economic par with whites is an attitude that promotes much contention.
When it is not practical nor was or is it possible for black people to gain in 49 years what white people had 400 years and all 400 years without repression or system denials, they had the opportunity to gain and promote the white image an community life concepts.
Nor was it possible under repression systems for these things to be afforded as open options for black or other minorities, nor is it possible in 49 years that black people and other non white ethnic groups could advance as a whole when bigotry and racism as well as regional based segregation still exist in living formats and community.
structures.
This bias and constriction exist in the Corporate chain as well as in the educational accessibility to the Universities who produce the Industry controllers. nepotism of bloodline and financial connections in and through elite Universities is still with a high grade of segregationist function.
This is not only a challenge or as it might be seen an imposition on and against minorities, because as much is said about equality, the top controllers of the Fortune 500 and the Fortune 1000 for that matter, is still controlled by white males, and where they cannot fit a white male for what ever reason, a white female is in place. But not a Black Male or a Black Female, not a Asian male or a Asian Female, not a Latin Male or a Latin Female.
When it comes to venture Capitalist, they do not support research and development funding to minorities with any notable % as it affords these funds to whites, and in the broader context, for many minorities to gain any grounds it this funding source, it has to first hire a white face as the public image of their business model, to even be consider, and still when its found that the company may be minority based, the funding may well be denied.

Many Chinese as well as Japanese pursue to identify with the white American Ethnicity, but the historical factors are still at play to a great or lesser in some respect, as to what was taught in the era of Jim Crow America. and in some sectors when it comes to Asians, it is still some parts that still have mentality elements of pre Jim Crow concepts of Asians in America, be they citizens or immigrants seeking Citizenship... In this context it has in some sectors a great deal to do with their economic position as to how they are considered.

As was referred in a previous section of this blog, 'The Chinese in America would like to see the nation of China gain more strength and position as a highly respected power, which would aid the individual Chinese in America or other Western nations for that matter, a relief to the sense of being made to feel inferior.... or being considered by some degree inferior, in part due to the measure of their home nations economic position and power structure.

So, in these regards and considerations... the world to over come stereotypes; as well as, to have cultural differences meet on level terms of human consideration as "person" is a continuing challenges.

One cannot fault China for the desire to put on a good face, such as with the Olympics and other things... because each nation has the responsibility and assumes the responsibility to promote itself with idealized imagery.... to help it advance and blend with the progressive demeanor as a nation in the collective of global national stature.

What we have seen in the current Administration is an influx of women, and other Ethnic minorities being promoted and given high visibility position.. Yet, this still has not become the case in high level Corporate Executive Suites in America or other Western Nations.. In Parts of European and Nordic Regions, there is a visible absence of Minority Presence in both political and high level corporate position and certainly not a position that has high visibility.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/17/2013 7:39 am

What everyone has just is relative freedom, for when your absolute freedom bothers others, then others got no freedom.

Very True !!!!!


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/17/2013 1:52 pm

When the Real Estate bubble burst, that goes the Red China economy. We shall see.

China is notorious in "Human Rights" and censorship of "Freedom of Press".

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Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3289 posts
11/17/2013 4:26 pm

Listen and watch CBS "60 Minutes" video what that Chinese in Mainland construction builder said "Yes, there is a bubble, it is dangerous. When the bubble burst, nobody knows what will happen. It will be a disaster."

He is the biggest Construction Builder in the world by "Quantity" NOT by "Quality".

This is NOT a hypothesis, China housing bubble is alarming approaching to burst. How long can China let those ghost cities, ghost towns, condominiums, apartments, and empty malls ..just sit there empty? Now all the construction developers frozen all the building work. The next thing the builders can't pay back the huge loan payments and debts. It is humongous big loans. This bubble is like tsunami that nobody has EVER seen before. American foreclosure houses is NOT in comparison of China housing bubble that is imminent approaching.

We shall see in short future. Who is right? Who is wrong? The miracle of been 2nd largest economy country (China) will become a nightmare.

Watch the video for less than 10 minutes. It will explain everything I said here. I have been to Beijing, Han-Zhou, Su-Zhou, and Shanghai in May 2008.


Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/17/2013 5:33 pm

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Of course, this knowledge needs to be preceded by understanding the racial and civil movements for universal suffrage in the first 70 yrs of the 20th century.

I've been saying this over and over, but because I reference black people, many dismiss and ignore the point, But the racism in America, all the way back in time, was horrendous on any non whites, Both, many Chinese and blacks died doing many labors so select group of white people could profit, which include labors on the mining jobs, railroad, and every other type of job that was rife with inherent dangers. This strife continued into every segment of life for minorities, be it Chinese, Latin, Black and others.

Pre and Post Civil Rights - Asian were able to circulate their money in their own community, and they patronized each others business, so they were able to prosper, as well as, white people with money, were more willing to patronize Chinese business, while they neglected to patronize black business, This had a big impact on how these respective groups progressed economically. many Asian did not buy into equality soon as the bill passed, they continued to keep their communities closed mostly but open enough to attract white people money, but they circulated their money among other Chinese business. While blacks tried to patronize white business, and this took the money from circulating in black business... and whites were determined to not patronize black business. What results was the ramification of either money circulating or the lack of money circulating in the respective community. The less money circulated in the black community the more difficult educational advancements and focus on education, in the Chinese community, they used the continual circulation of money among themselves to help keep the focus on educational advancements. We can see in general life, when economic challenges impacts any community severely, the education of their children and the focus on those children's educations diminishes, this is true in any ethnic group... The more challenge the very dire poor whites communities are, the more delinquency is among their youth and the higher their drop out rate is. We see the same in the Latin community, as well as in some of the inner city poor Asian communities.

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beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/17/2013 5:39 pm

As to the economic crash of 2008, China did its stimulus program, but you don't see them continue to whine about it after the fact, as it is in America. If it had not been for President Obama including and demanding accountability and repayment back to the government., The first plan of Bernanke and Bush was to give the Banks and Insurance Companies the money without any stipulation, and no request to pay it back

President Obama was even trying to go forth to stop them from paying themselves bonuses for their failure,but the republican machine would not support his effort, nor would they support the efforts to put some constraints on the banking industry.. Now they want to be angry because of constraints on the Insurance companies. Tax credits, is a lot cheaper for the nation, than for the Government to provide totally free health care. This point has been sorely missed. In the next 10 yrs when the program matures, the benefits to the nation will become highly visible, and be quite opposite the dooms day preaching of the right wingers.

In the US Medicare would not be such a problem if we did not have so many anti government people fighting the program, and supporting medical system gouging, and Pharmaceutical rip offs.

Something simple as blood sugar test strips are overly exaggerated in their cost.

the best way to get medicare fixed and the Insurance program fixed, is strip every congress person of their programs for and put them on these same programs.. Then they will fix it within a year.

I think as all our nations progress, the next generation of young people, will strip the politicians of this Gold plated medical program and force them into the public system as public servants.

As you say, the history of challenges China has gone through, they have done well to have positioned themselves as they have today. If people go across this country, and get outside of the well to do areas, you will find there are many people who are living no better than some of the poorest Chinese live in China. some cities have become regressive and in doing so have become nothing more than expanding ghetto's, because people can't afford the upkeep of homes, and public services to the highest levels are directed to area where the more economically prominent live.

We may not be as swift with the death penalty as China or can arrest people for some of the same things they do, but for some minority groups justice is not in their favor, in some states for Mexicans justice is as far from their favor is it is for blacks in many inner city areas.

I've taken my motorcycle and gone through areas that resemble not of what one would think is the propaganda image of America. And many people who are well to do, in this very country, don't know anything about the dire poor, because they are not going to go in those areas to see for themselves.
I worked at a time in Community Development, and in doing so saw some areas both with blacks and whites that are in dilapidated conditions beyond belief. Homelessness in every major city is very high when one think about the image of America promoted in TV programming.
We have as I've written before much bias in reporting about public services usages, there are maybe out of 32 million blacks, many up to 12+ million who get some form of public assistance, but among the white society, that number of users of public services is between 70 to 90 million. Both these numbers increased after 2008, because the unemployment rate was very high, and that was mis presented in truth of some areas, where among minorities it was 20%+ and among poor whites it was 10-12% .... and some of these figures don't even factor in the % people who are long term public service users.

for any people who would aspire to deny the bigotry and bias, all one has to do is look at the recent government shut down by the Tea Party & Republicans, it is evident how much they fight against this nation doing anything for its people. But what has resulted is the high number of whites these acts have impacted, changed much, because the aim was directed to deny minorities but truth showed that that aim resulted to impact a very very high number of whites.

All one has to do is go to the University Hospitals, and look in the waiting room and in the patient rooms, then the truth comes forth. when the high number of white people who are there in need of care because of the lack of insurance or economic means to gain care under the old Insurance programs.

There was a move, called "Civil Action", which demonstrated very good how the Medical Insurance companies denied services, and there was a second movie, "JohnQ", which showed the exhortation fees the surgeons request and how the mix between the fees and the insurance denials many many people have resulted to die needlessly.
We see even with the Veterans, that so many are not able to get the care they need, even after they have documented war injuries, both physical and mental.. Many are now homeless, and a great many are stuck in clerk jobs, that provides not enough to live above the threshold of poverty.

We only have 300 million people and our performance in these things is so poor, how can we criticize the Chinese who have 1.3 billion and they have systems to assist their people. If America had that many people it would collapse into direct chaos, because the greed and wealth disparity is so great and so out of balance, along with Right wing fighting, that it would be anarchy across this nation. Racism would rise to a Civil War like level, because when ever the economic downturn comes, racism spikes in its vile.

Freedom of speech is fine, but how many people has freedom of speech caused problems on the social media of twitter and facebook?

We do have a generally better overall Legal system as it relates to trials than does China when it comes to Citizens. But there are many areas of our respective systems, that are in need of much change and much promotion of human rights and fairness. But we should not be trying to fix China, until we first accept our problems and fix ourselves.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
11/17/2013 6:10 pm

American Chinese were allowed even post civil rights, to keep connection and identity with their mother country and their traditions. When it came to blacks over the generations after being ripped from Africa, they were forbidden from having any connection to their mother country traditions or even the simplicity of their respective language. Even during the 1970'swhen many blacks tried to learn more of Africa and the history of their ancestry traditions, black people were vilified and put down for even trying to develop a cultural identity with their Native Homeland.

In Jim Crow era Mississippi, however, Chinese American children were allowed to attend white-only schools and universities, rather than attend black-only schools, and some of their parents became members of the infamous Mississippi "White Citizens' Council" who enforced policies of racial segregation.

so, when we talk about nations and human rights, it is a big mixed bag of many things, and we may have less room to say anything, until we make better advances in this nation.

In the 1980's Ronald Reagan did not want to do anything to support or help fight against Apartheid, but he did pass bills, to give the Japanese Reparations as well as put 100's of millions into College funds to be a scholarship program for Japanese who were subjected to Internment. There mere mention of Repatriations for the atrocities done to blacks will to this very day bring a wrath of vile from the white community. Because they felt entitled to have been the orchestrator of slavery and segregation.
In the 1980's when Japan was a economic powerhouse, it was as much about trying to appease the continuance of high bond buying by the Japanese, gain higher investment from Japan, as well as business and more favorable trade arrangement, which promoted the act of Repatriations... rather than stringing it out for another 100 years until it was a non issue. What might have been the status of Repatriation if Japan had been and remained a poor nation ???

( from I-net)
The cultural boundaries separating White Americans from other racial or ethnic categories are contested and always changing. David R. Roediger argues that the construction of the white race in the United States was an effort to mentally distance slaveowners from slaves.By the 18th century, white had become well established as a racial term.

The process of officially being defined as white by law often came about in court disputes over pursuit of citizenship. The Naturalization Act of 1790 offered naturalization only to "any alien, being a free white person". In at least 52 cases, people denied the status of white by immigration officials sued in court for status as white people.
According to one source—though not supported by census records of the period, which recorded all Jews as white—Jews in America did not become accepted as "white" until the 1940s.


Today, the only seeming group, that gets any kind of support at the blink of an eye, is the Jewish People of Israel, and here the US was not even the ones who did anything to them, but the minute that Israel blinks and eye to think it wants or need something, planes are in the air headed to them and bank transfers are in process to send it to them.


experience2013 51F

11/18/2013 2:59 am

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hi,woaini,I could understand what you said, Compared with China,the United States of America is a young country, not so much historical burden.China is an ancient nation, centralized rule has a history of thousands of years.The overall change is not easy, we can only begin to change from what we can do.We have different social background, expectations are not the same. a good income, house, the children can receive a good education, health care, And so on is probably more important. Other rights, when our society more matured, to strive for.


experience2013 51F

11/18/2013 3:53 am

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Such analysis is right, so you can see the truth of the matter. Some people are prejudiced, find some of the appearance of things, can spout a lot of erroneous opinions.