beyondfantasy3 113M
2003 posts
9/21/2014 6:17 am
Alibaba (continued)

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan's SoftBank Corp said it expected a gain of about 500 billion yen ($4.6 billion) from Alibaba Group Holding's share listing in New York, where the Chinese e-commerce leader surged 38 percent on its first day of trade.

SoftBank CEO Masayoshi also told CNBC that he would want to own more of Alibaba, although he reiterated that the Japanese mobile carrier and Internet media company was happy with the current 32 percent stake, which made it the Chinese company's biggest shareholder.


Lots of money moving around behind the Stock Offering. the frenzy will continue and the price will escalate tremendously.. Speculators will drive it up so fast that one may wonder what is happening in the world of money and stock games.

Within the next 6 months, the Acquisition Frenzy will start, and it will continue to fuel the push for this stock.
Just like Google sucked up everything it came close to, so will this site with the money floating around like confetti. The gambling game in on!!!!

Watch the sharks come out for the feeding frenzy, We can expect this stock to surge to over $250.00 for sure.

Google is at $596, Facebooks is at 77. but it faced a split, which means it would be higher. Amazon is at $331.

For those who have the money to get in, they will win, over the next 12 months the winning will continue, but the cost to get in will continue to rise.
Now after 12 months. it may matter much about the promotion as well as what type of acquisitions they make.

China has the advantage to promote this website by various means within every country that China dominates in exporting its goods to.

It may take a while to filter out the sham artist who will rush to get listed on this site, but I'd suspect there will be a big bust to come after the 1-2 yrs mark, to weed out some of the corrupt criminal con artist who are inevitable to come to this site to cash in. But the difference may be the manner in which China dispenses it justice, which can be swift and brutal as a means to sending a strong message.

I'd think for the Investor with the money, its certainly a good ride over the next 12 months.
I'd love to have a few 100k to put into it. but at the moment, I don't; so that leaves me as a sideline watcher.

Even 100 share, or a 1000 share would be a good ride depending on if one is a working person, or a professional or small business person with some expendable cash they don't immediately need to utilize.
For sure the buzz.... will be a driving force. If one has given any attention to the Stock Market over the past years. It's all about the Buzz, because speculators ride on it, Fund Managers promote the buzz and Broker will pay dearly to keep the buzz alive until they can double or triple their money.

But then on the second tier comes the Alipay, may become its own spin off and go public.

Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. (BABA) is selling its small-business lending arm to the company that already controls payments affiliate Alipay, separating itself from the last of its major financial units ahead of an initial public offering expected next month.

The Chinese e-commerce giant will sell the loan business to Small and Micro Financial Services Co. for $518 million in cash and annual fees for seven years, it said in a U.S. regulatory filing yesterday.

Small and Micro Financial Services already owns Alipay, a PayPal-like service that is used by shoppers on Alibaba’s websites. The agreement also lifts a $6 billion cap, under certain conditions, on funds that Alibaba could receive if Alipay or its parent company go public, the filing shows.

The sale means the financial-services assets will be owned by Chinese nationals instead of the global investors that may buy shares in the IPO.

More than 78 percent of purchases made on Alibaba’s platforms last year were processed through Alipay, according to the prospectus. The lending unit provides financing for small-and medium-sized businesses that were selling products on Alibaba’s marketplaces. Other units within the Small and Micro Financial group include consumer finance, asset management, financial-products distribution and insurance.

Alibaba sold Alipay to Small and Micro Financial -- which is controlled by co-founder Jack Ma -- in 2011 amid concern that it wouldn’t be permitted to conduct business in China while it has foreign ownership, the IPO filing shows.


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The banking relationship already exist after this IPO, so it won't be difficult to take Alipay public, and increase it's dealing in financial business. The more the micro lending improves, the more money for both Alibaba and alipay... It's almost a given that these things will generate even more money....

Now that small business in the West will began to list themselves on Alibaba, this will change the dynamics, and many merchants will ride on both sites, Amazon and Alibaba... It's almost like a walled benefit gain for the big and small merchants to have accessibility to a larger pool of consumers.

For those doubter, save this post, when it happen, pull it out and read it and see if I am on target or off target.????

For some of the stock's I've followed, My picks have gained. one over 800% ( ATML ) and another over 1100% ( RFMD ) and another 300%. ( SIRI )

My short fall is limited investment capital, I don't get into the many other elements of stock business, because it take money to play with the various tools,. I'm simply talking about basic, Buy / Hold / Sell spectrum. The other tools are for the more knowledgeable investor groups who can afford and understand how to use the other tools within Stock Business Investing.
The Basic, I', speaking of is about getting in and picking your time to get out... I still believe in the principle of why the market was created in the first place. which is to support business stability and business growth over the long term.. Not the other stuff people like to do within the trading affairs.




The money machine of the moment




I watched the same game with Google when it first went public, they immediately began to expand their model to buy up all they could which was directly and indirectly related to their business. But they had good data, because they knew what people searched for, which gave them exceptional information on peoples interest.

Amazon uses the same strategy, as will Alibaba. They will know what people are interested in, by their search and ultimately by their purchasing habits.

they will become and probably have in-depth collaboration with 'data collectors and data sellers, like Google, Amazon, Facebook and Various other mass user based web programs.

You can be assured Facebook is already making direct and indirect agreements to get their buttons placed on Alibaba as well as how to make use of some of their acquisition and partners to pounce with group power to get a connecting ride on this platform.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
9/21/2014 6:45 am

    Quoting Style005:
    Once everyone know the Chinese mentality from the foundation of their mindset, and look at their patterns for doing everything.
    Chinese love to do fireworks jobs, oh, they claim the fireworks was their invention.
Please expound on this for more clarity. I'm not sure what the point is you're making? (Thank you)


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
9/24/2014 4:36 am

No, but I am certainly trying to find some funds to get at least some. It's a risk but it may prove to be less of a risk if and as Alibaba uses its profit gains to make its site meet global standards in how people interpret and utilize the site.

I don't know how this will impact the exports from China, but it could be a big push for China's Industrial sector, but it may well meet with some challenge if the world community push back against the fact it will vanquish the export quota system.

Beyond the Stock trading groups, a lot of other factors will become at play as the buzz develops new awareness in the span of the next year or so.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
9/24/2014 4:33 pm

the big players are positioning themselves for market shares trying to save a buck or two here or there, but given a few months when they re-focus to implement some of the things this new cash will allow them to do, Then it will head up. I think the analysis are paid to play it low at the moment.