beyondfantasy3 113M
2003 posts
4/12/2015 7:28 am
"Cancer in China"

from news

What's clear is the cancer surge in China is remaking the country. Experts have documented hundreds of cases of "cancer villages," or communities hit by higher-than-average cancer rates due to polluting nearby industries. In 2013, Chinese were shocked to learn of an 8-year-old girl billed as the country's youngest lung cancer patient, the result, her doctors said, of eastern China's choking air pollution.

"Air pollution is now a recognized carcinogen, so there's no question that the hazardous levels of air pollution we're seeing in many parts of China are contributing to the increasing rates in particular of lung cancer," Pratt said.

....... The owner of the cancer hotel, retired merchant Chen Shuhong, said she's seen the need for her rooms near the hospital expand over the past decade. She started her business with an apartment left to her by an uncle who died at age 59 of lung cancer. She said she now rents 10 apartments that she offers as housing for cancer patients.

"The rates of cancer, both the number of cases and the rates at which people are dying of cancer, are increasing in China, and that's obviously a cause for very significant concern," Pratt said. "That's a huge increase in a relatively short amount of time. I would say it's a critical situation."
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From various pictures of the pollution, not just in the air, but water ways and certainly there has to be an issue with what is being done with all the 'waste products from the heavy overload of manufacturing by products".






Years ago on the West Coast in the US, studies and many other acts were engaged to try and deal with the 'waste run off" and other by products of various types of industries.
Then there was a nation wide concern and actions taken to deal with various pesticides and other chemical being used in earlier times. Many of which are now banned in the US, but still allowed in not just China but many other countries in the Asian Region.

People often remain unaware until the problems reach epidemic levels, but there have been pictures posted of people dumping all sorts of things in water way, and it is certain China has to have a major problem with what to do with the massive volumes of daily garbage collections and that's just from citizen areas, not to mention what goes with garbage from industrial regions.

I'd pose a question as to how many barrels of this stuff is being take out to sea and dumped in barrels that will rust in a matter of years and began to seep toxic substance in the water.

People remain unconcerned, as long as the garbage is collected from their home, and their concerns stop there.

I remember walking and a garbage truck passed me, in Thailand, it was the most horrible smell one could imagine, and the sad part is the workers were hanging on the back of the truck, subjected to smelling this 'all day", day after day. I wonder what is the concern for them?????

It's so much we take for granted and so much we remain unconcerned about, therefore the operators can and will continue to do what they do, until the death toll rises where it can't be ignored, then comes the long process of 'now what do we do".

Imagine what cities of 100's of millions create on a daily basis as to garbage, and the need for disposal. Then comes the next issue no one wants to talk about is raw sewage. Unpleasant as that is to discuss, it is a reality that can't go without discussion. Not many people think of what happens to the sewage, and if the plants can manage. When heavy rains come and other challenges to these plants, what happens with the overflow and how is the clean up managed. These are very serious questions unto those with concern for health, and sanitation concerns.
One may ask, how many rural areas is waste shipped to and disposed of, because the people are without the force of voice to say or do anything.

None of these problems will go away, they only increase, with the advent of new composite material, new chemical mixtures to make these materials and the by products of waste generated in doing so.

It would be wise for up and coming countries to get ahead of the curve and think these thing through before they began to ramp up on Industrial Growth.

I don't expect much response or concern to this posting, because that's just the nature of people. But Apathy over time brings conditions which may be without remedy once it reaches the critical tipping point, where toxicity exceeds the means to detoxify.

I wonder if anyone remember the photos from Brazil, with the volume of waste and pollution's which is a monumental task to try and address in preparation for the Olympics. China did a good job in trying to clear the air for the Olympics, but its was a temporary fix for a limited time span, and whamo!!!, back to business as usual and the pollution's came back with a resounding impact.

At what point will you become with concerns? We struggle so hard for status and the pomp and pagentry of looking good and having many material things. until we often don't conside these type of things, because with money comes the elite mindedness of individuals, and they don't care to think of any of these things, due to the unpleasant nature of it, but they also know the necessity of it, only when the back flow of such things affect them personally. That's just the nature of people.

We rely on public utilities to handle this, but do we take concern to ensure public facility has the resources and capacity to manage this stuff.

We in our local city had a dumb site closed, beause it was too close to the Lake and it was too close to communities and when the citizens figured out these issues, then the process began to deal with it, by then it had a smoldering fire that could not be immediately put out, so now there is a multi year plan to monitor the results of what impact this has and will have on the surrounding areas. It was poor decision and poor planning which allowed it to be placed there, but no one was held accountable, but at least the system of city did make the move to address it and close it.

I visited our local land fill.. it is a distance from the city, and its a massive work to deal with it on a daily basis, (I also so more vultures than one could imagine, who live and gather at the dump site, its almost freighting to see so many vultures in one place)
Part of my job is to look after the safety of the municipality concerns, primarily employees, but for men and how I work, I can't limit it to just employee safety, it has to concern safety in broad perspective. that is a challenge to get people on-board to look in the broader contest. In some ways its not so drastic the things I have to concern myself with, because there are regulatory programs in place to address a great many things, and the people do a good job adhering to regulatory controls and management of those controls.

Therefore I have to consider these things and know what I can do and what Is beyond my spectrum to deal with. But I'm working on incorporating some safety elements for a wide variety of things. I can say, it takes a lot of reading to expand the information concerns, but I will find ways to make some recommendations for safety concerns as it relates to what I do in regard to the people and any other factors that pose safety challenges of sorts. Its always a progressive job to deal with anything related to Safety.



beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
4/12/2015 9:05 am

    Quoting sentttiiie_11:
    Oh that's worst than here where I live.The government there should have done something to solve the problem.
I think it requires a massive "educational awareness campaign" to get the people to think and change. Mostly if there is limited info, then people figure it does not apply to them, even thought they may be the ones who are high contributors to the problems.
We sadly have a "industrial culture" who is fixiated on the dollars, especially when they function under the pressure of brokers and traders,who are out to expect record breaking profits every quarter, they influence the executive teams to IGNORE the damage they do to the environment.
It takes executive trained to learn how not to succumb to the brokers and traders and respect the responsibility to run a good and clean operating company.
This is almost like an improbable learning curve that won't happen anytime soon, without MASSIVE fines, and STERN monitoring with more fines to follow. But Greed will only lead them to want to close the factor and move to an area without government oversight.

I blame the University Training which ignores ethics and respect of community and nation as well as respect for citizens as persons.
I think the Nordic Regional Countries are ahead of the rest of the world in all these regard, they by some means push business but they think of what and how they do things in a generalized sense, because they have learned that over time, the damages will cost more than the profits they seek to make if they destroy their environment.
some countries won't allow their politicians to be bought off in the simple and easy ways which contribute to environmental damages.

China has a long ways to go when it comes to environmental concerns, but I'd hope to see places like Vietnam, and Cambodia and Indonesia and other places to think environment above the pursuit of profit. Sadly, there is massive forestry damage already done in Indonesia, I think for the previous damaged of war in in Cambodia and Vietnam, they would think in terms of their environment, especially considering the lives taken and damaged and abused and lost with the turmoil of the past. But, until we get educated leader who have these concerns not much will happen.

Even here in the United States, Greed Thinking from the Republican ranks fight against every kind of environmental concern and control President Obama has put forth. Republican fight against the idea of climate change, they fight against the aims at Carbon Reduction, and they will fight against anything which requires industry to make investments to clean up their messes and acts.
We have many locations where industry closed, and nothing was done to make them clean up the messes they left, nor tear down the blight they walked away from.
In American, the Republican system has done so much in pursuit of the diminishing of America and still they fight, after presiding over the greatest collapse since the great depression. They fight everything!!!!!!! the more they fight the more blight expands, and the worst the carbon pollution expands.
On a personal thought, I think something is terribly flawed in the ideology of Right Wing Programming and Agenda. They are blind to the national devastated challenges which exist across the lands.

I watched a show last night which proved to be the greatest paradox imaginable. It was LBJ talking about investing in and helping Asian nations move up in development of many areas, and sadly, he presided over the escalation of wars on the lands of Vietnam. How he went from the great speech on humanitarian and environmental and industrial concerns and even talking about the North and South Vietnam, working together to elevate their lands, and things went the opposite direction. It was a speech given April 7th, 1965.

but back to present day. China is building 10 times the rate of other nations, I do wonder if they have considered the long term maintenance cost of what is built. Maintenance cost begin at the moment construction is claimed complete, and the massive nature of maintenance concerns whether it is a solid structure or a business enterprise. These are thing which have a major element of need and concerns to be addressed.

How and when the focus will turn to "clean up" is a trillion dollar question.

I saw a project in Jarkata which focused on 'green space" drainage, and other environmental concern; I don't know if it will become even more expansive, but if it does they will have moved into an area of concern which will position it well for the future in terms of environmental concerns.


1ClassyLady 68F
3288 posts
4/12/2015 6:10 pm

China should learn from Singapore. Chinese government should send lots of sanitary engineers to learn from Singapore and transform its country. Taiwan used to be dirty before, but when I returned in January - February of 2011, the environment has been improved much better, but still has room for improvement.

SINGAPORE - This country was once a swampy land mass. But in the past four decades, this island nation in Southeast Asia has transformed itself into a major financial and trading center.

It's also one of the cleanest places in the world-- where you can be fined or arrested just for spitting, littering or selling chewing gum.




Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3288 posts
4/12/2015 6:26 pm

It is too late to educate Chinese, so fine those people who littered as Singapore did. I said those things because I want China to be clean country.

Watching Your Every Move

Orchard Road is the most famous shopping street in Singapore. Tens of thousands of people mingle and shop up and down the boulevard each day.

Hidden in the crowd are some 400 plainclothes officers from the government's National Environment Agency. Their job: to pick out those who let things slip out of their hands.

CBN News' George Thomas spoke to Lawrence who works in the financial district in downtown Singapore.

Thomas: You like to smoke? You are smoking a cigarette right now?

Lawrence: Yes.

Thomas: What would happen if you threw that cigarette on the floor?

Lawrence: You'd be fined.

Thomas: How much would you be fined?

Lawrence: Maybe $500, maybe a thousand dollars. I'm not too sure.

Thomas: A thousand Singaporean dollars?

Lawrence: Yes.

Thomas: That's a lot of money.

Lawrence: Yes.

One thousand Singaporean dollars is roughly about $700 in the U.S.

Cleanest City in the World

Singapore is famous for being the cleanest city in the world. There are many posters in buildings and parks telling people what they should and shouldn't do. Those who don't obey the rules will be fined or arrested.

Singapore is so strict that gum is a banned substance. In fact, those caught with it can be fined close to two hundred Dollars. Spitting, littering and jay-walking can also land you in big trouble.

Chewing gum is not forbidden in Singapore but bringing gum into the country in large amounts is illegal. Those caught selling it can be sent to jail. So many people like Martin, who lives on the east side of the island, just decide not to chew gum---period.

Thomas: Have you had gum before?

Martin: Never.

Thomas: Never?

Martin: Never.

Thomas: Never in your life? You've never had gum?

Martin: No.

Thomas: Do you want to have some gum?

Martin: No way.

Litterbugs Nabbed

The government reports that some 20,000 litterbugs were nabbed in 2007 -- 385 were repeat offenders. They had to pay higher fines and were ordered to pickup trash as part of a government-run rehabilitation program.

The folks that CBN News spoke to welcome these strict laws. They say it keeps Singapore a very clean, safe and orderly nation.

"It is not too controlling, you've got to learn good habits, right?" said a Ghopal another resident of the city. "So good habits start at home, right? So why not in the city."

And these habits start early. Children are taught at school and in their family, about how they should behave in society.

"There are many perceptions of Singapore that it's a very authoritarian country, where you can't speak or chew gum," said 19-year-old John, a student at one of the colleges in the city. "But I think that these are things that we just get used especially as we grow up i


Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3288 posts
4/12/2015 6:34 pm

Ask PolarisSg, she lives in Singapore. She should know better than me. She is a Chinese.

Why Chinese in Singapore can be clean but not in China? With punishment by fine money, China can be clean too.



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3288 posts
4/12/2015 11:26 pm

I believe in "Green environment" and "Global Warming".

China has "One Child Policy" for many years, the government will have you pay fine when a couple have 2nd child. That's the way they control population. I, as a pharmacist, have different opinion about control the population by having female take "Birth Control Pills" or "Contraceptive pills" that safer than "abortion".

Now, we are talking about "Air Pollution" and "Water Pollution" in China. Their government should have people pay large amount of fine as punishment. Learn from Singapore. Chinese like to smoke, so start from a cigarette butt tossed on the ground, spit saliva on the floor, ... to the industry chimney, dirty water, ..... People will watch each other and report to official and then punish them.

Chinese people are "heavy smokers" since "Opium War" in Chin Dynasty. Smoking is not only harm their health but also to others (breathe in 2nd hand smoke).



Honesty is the best policy.


1ClassyLady 68F
3288 posts
4/13/2015 7:35 am

Global warming is caused by several causes such as pollution from factories, carbon dioxide from rotting trees, the burning of coal, natural gasses and fossil fuels lead to methane travelling into the Earth's atmosphere any transportation vehicles, water vapour, and many other little things, which contribute to make global warming even worse.

Scientists have different opinions about whether the current global warming is natural or unusual. Some believe that it is part of the Eath's natural cycle of warming and cooling. However most believe that what we are now experiencing is unusual and has been caused by human activities.

According to the solar variation theory,the sun has been gaining strength and is at it's strongest since a sixty years. Therefore, it may now be acting as a cause of global warming. Sunspots are also said to be a cause or catalyst for Global Warming. Recent reports suggest that the number of sunspots in an area directly affects the amount of time the nearby earth takes to cool. The sun is the main source of energy to the earth. The earth absorbs about seventy percent of the earth's solar flux. This solar flux increases the temperature of the earth's atmosphere, land and oceans.

Honesty is the best policy.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
4/13/2015 3:52 pm

Human activity driven by apathy, callousness by intent and greed by programming,
Not many people want to talk about such relevant thing, until it directly impacts them at their home. but the shallow minded demeanor does no good toward inspiring progress in areas, learning, and simply becoming aware.
I think people are so into slap stick humor and pun and punditry of one or two liners, they don't care for anything which not only impacts the present day concerns, but the things which will impact the future generations. There will be many things absent in the future which coming generation can only read about but never actually see or know. Because we are a very destructive "Century" of people. from the crazing bombings which release toxins that are never even mentioned, and when the foreign Arab places blow up stuff it never dawns on them, they are probably releasing a vast amount of asbestos in the air. They are more concerned with killing, until nothing else matters.
We have abandoned factories which the previous owner knew they needed to do toxic clean up, but the stock brokers and executive drained them dry and paid off the politician to keep quiet, while they simply walk away and leave a giant mess.
In America: Companies nation wide should be made to set up reserves fund for abandonment clean up; and under no circumstance are the executive goons allowed to touch it. that way they can't run from State to State and think they can escape their responsibility. If anyone underfund or loot it, they go straight to prison and forfeit their gains and they get no exit monies.

I like Warren Buffett, he is not very thrilled with companies that over pay their executives and certainly not when a company is doing bad, and executives still expect a bonus.

America is littered with toxic facilities, that no one wants to modify, because the asbestos clean up is so expensive. So people disregard those properties. Some have soil contamination which becomes a deterrent from others coming and re-opening these facilities.

I'd think China is going to have a major problem with closed and abandoned facilities and the cost of clean up. No one will want it for the cost to retrofit the facility to comply with health codes.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
4/15/2015 4:59 am

Thank each poster for your comments- its what makes the blogs work. Greatly appreciated.