jmenyo 51F
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11/9/2013 10:29 pm
China becomes the most popular location to live for expatriates? (中国成最受欢迎移居地?)

If you're sick of your home country and are yearning for a change, you might want to consider settling in Asia for the next chapter of your life.

  如果你厌倦了在本国的生活,想来个改变,你可能会考虑移居亚洲,展开生活的新篇章。

  A new study by HSBC ranks several Asian nations among the best countries for expatriates in 2013. The annual Expat Explorer Survey analyzes the findings from 7,000 expatsto rank their new homes according to criteria including economics, experience, and raising .

  根据英国汇丰银行最新发布的2013年度“移居者探索调查”报告显示,亚洲多个国家和地区被列入全球最佳侨居地排行榜。该报告调查了全球7000名移居者,根据经济、经历和养育子女三大因素对这些国家进行排名。

  When considering all three categories, China comes out on top with high scores in economics and experience. Despite faring poorly in the field of raising , expats in China report high salaries and better quality of life than in their home countries.

  将三大因素综合考虑之后,中国凭借更高的“经济收入”得分和“经历”得分而位居榜首。不过中国在“子女养育”方面得分较低,但受访者表示,与生活在本国相比,移居中国后薪水更丰厚、生活质量更高。

  Switzerland tops all nations in terms of economics, though it remains unranked overall due to insufficient data in the raising category.

  瑞士“经济”单项中排名第一,但因为子女养育方面数据不全,瑞士未能进入总排名榜单。

  When it comes to experience, however, Thailand outpaces the field, thanks to top scores for healthy diet, working environment, social life, local shops and markets, and local culture. Like Switzerland, however, Thailand also could not be ranked overall because of its lack of data on raising .

  在“经历”排名中,泰国列第一。泰国在健康饮食、工作休假、社交生活、购物及市场、当地文化等方面得分相对较高。和瑞士一样,泰国因为缺少在养育子女方面的数据而未能进入总排名榜单。

  In that category, Germany reigns supreme, with high scores in education, quality of childcare, and health and wellbeing. Deutschland also received high scores in economics, helping the nation to place second overall among all three criteria.

  在“子女养育”方面,德国一枝独秀,在儿童教育、托儿质量和儿童健康等方面得分最高。另外,德国在经济方面的得分也很高,帮助其在总排名中得到了第二的佳绩。

  The United States ranked 12th overall, hampered by poor scores in both economics and experience. It did, however, place first in local work culture, as well as in several subcategories for raising .

  受到经济和经历两项因素的不良评分,美国在总榜单中仅排在第12位。但是,美国在企业文化和养育子女中的一些子项目中仍然排名第一。

  Furthermore, despite ranking 23rd in economics, the U.S. maintains its reputation as a "land of opportunity" among expats. According to the survey, 80% of respondents say they would not leave the country given the choice, citing opportunities for home ownership, access to luxuries like better cars, and the security of pensions and savings for later in life as their main reasons for staying put.

  尽管美国在经济一项中仅排在23位,对于移居者来说,美国仍然不愧于其“机遇之国”的美誉。该报告表示,八成移居者不愿意离开美国,因为那里有更好的机会,可以买房、买车,晚年生活的退休保障也更好。



I leave no trace of wings in the air, but I am glad I have had my flight. ---- Rabindranath Tagore


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/13/2013 5:19 am

    Quoting  :

your post speaks in perspective of what I just posted.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/13/2013 5:18 am

Chinese can learn a great deal about how to push for change, both political and economy, if they study, the struggles of the Black American. The expansive repressions and oppressions, even the envy when some sectors of the black community pursued to great advancements, to see the vile that came forth in pushing back, and even tearing down of what many blacks struggled to build. But equally so, the ways that blacks utilized the court systems, even when the courts had sanction laws against blacks. As well as the great struggles against a political system that was disregarding and adverse toward Black Americans.

PBS ( Public Broadcasting Station) had an interesting show called: The African Americans: Many Rivers To Cross it can be found on the Internet. Making a Way Out of No Way (1897-1940)
Chronicling 1897-1940, when blacks struggled to succeed within a segregated society; and when many migrated from the South to the North and West.

Not only will this show point out many mis-conceptions, but it shows some of the challenge and struggles and what it took to deal with them. there were destruction of whole sectors of cities which blacks made prosperous, which resulted to be burned down by whites. to the extremes of people coming from miles around to watch lynchings, and even cutting off parts of the body as souvenirs, while they brought with them the picnic baskets like it was a party event. The sheer inhumanity in how blacks were treated; is stories rarely exported for the world to see. Chinese know of the brutalities of British occupations, but the tragedies of American whites against the American Blacks show a level of vile that goes far and beyond.
Through this, the will of the black people to be free even in the denial of quality education for the masses and many other things, the leaders among the black population pushed ahead even still.

When the exodus of black from the South, headed North and West, only when it became clear to the whites and in the minds of the white people, that they (white people) would suffer economic loss and have to do result to do the work themselves and put in the labor they did not want to do, only then (white people) tried to be appeasing to the blacks, but only to the extent that it would benefit the white society. While still the whites supported segregation and embraced it with brutal acts, group violence against blacks and unfair law enforcements against blacks.

When systems are designed to oppress, people have a choice, to submit to the oppressions or stand up against it... If they choose to stand up, it matters, how they move forth to do so, when the power of laws and weapons and violence against them is a constant threat and actions enacted upon and against their very presence of being. Whites locked up Men, women and children, and turned the dogs, the water house and random killings as well as bombing of peoples homes and every kind of act of violence one can imagine. in the white peoples efforts to not recognize nor respect black people as being equal... Yet, for two centuries white people relied on blacks people and the black labor, to raise their kids, cook their food, and toil at any form of labor..

There are current day still via the Tea Party, Far Right Wing Republican Process and much else which to this day, still show the divides in systems,

Recently a White man was elected as Mayor of New York, he has a black wife, One writer posted a comment. which exemplifies much of the negativism which currently still exist in many sectors of the nation.

Washington Post columnist Cohen wrote This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all.
Cohen defended the column late Tuesday afternoon, saying he was expressing the views of some in the tea party, not his.
It's not the first time Cohen has been accused of racism.

America has a great deal of work still to do for black people to continue to push to over come the madness of the Antebellum mentality of some white people in some sectors of this nation.

The Chinese people can learn a great deal about what it takes to overcome struggles by studying the history of oppressions and repressive acts and actions by white society in America. it can also learn a great deal about the value of overcoming stereotypes and many other challenges facing today's Chinese.

But, before many Chinese can learn from these things, they themselves have to overcome their own biased sense and prejudicial thoughts about skin color bias.. This is a big issue and big challenge within the Chinese Culture. Once they choose to deal with and over come their skin color bias, then they can look respectfully at the Black Struggles and learn from it, but they won't learn from it as long as they hold a skin color bias... because that bias will prevent them from being open to respect black people enough to know they can learn from the Struggles and Challenges faced by Black American.

This itself is a big issue among the Chinese people, because many have biases against each other as Chinese, simply because of variation in skin tone, as well as an expansive contention against various Clan designation within the culture.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/13/2013 4:27 am

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If you are interested in the Chinese history , you will notice that China has suffered such a long feudal history of 2000 years , which has a heavy impact on both Chinese people 's mindsets and the whole nation's future development . So the Chinese people will take more time to do something westerners find it easier to accomplish .

I think these are factors within the (why's) the Centralized style of governance maybe the best route for China at this particular time.

Good comment: So when we talk about the developing country , I would like us all to do it in a modest manner .

lxqizi has an interesting post Worth 4 American spirit of Chinese Learning


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/12/2013 4:55 pm

I am Re-Posting this in Chinese, to see what the Chinese people think in commentary and/or rebuttal.

看看中国的经济增长在过去40年里,他们没有敞开大门,直到他们准备以应对可能会进入什么...由于世纪70年代初美国的核心产业进行经营由中国工业功能,与美国顾问,这是没有大张旗鼓地宣传,因为高科技的水平,允许来进行交换和转移,但足够的工业能力,出口在1970年的生产基地建设材料,钢铁,各种塑料和其他建设高档建筑项目。在这个任务中,他们的工作20年,然后在1990年代后期,他们打开他们的大门向公众,但期间的80的和90年代初,它是所有有关辅助基本上实业家,资本家和工程,一旦系统被设置起来,这是证明他们有一个纪律严明的劳动大军,他们进行培训,以高效执行重复任务,随后而来的“复制业,成为大型的系统,它是今天。设计师涌向中国的大量繁殖..

另一方面,中国看到了这一切,因为他们有控制臂来调节它是如何扩大,但中国也开始建立其金融市场旁边这个过程。
有了一个集中的政府,它没有要争取与有关资本收益的增加为国家做什么用的人或政党。它也没有让跑开唯物主义渐趋饱和,过渡到内部的疯狂。较高的UPS与连接工业部门,迅速成为精英的人开始沉迷于材料的执念。但中央政府没有允许浮动工资结构,也不是货币,财富,人们会得到一种虚假的安全感[ / I]内置的系统上,仍然像前青少年的青年。

相反,他们开始重建其基础设施,为人民推倒重建行业。 (可悲的是那些谁做收益在新的时代的开始“囤积”这些新的发展,希望能以现金在房地产泡沫“,但中国再次把在暂停模式下,很多人买了其中的一些属性,而这些属性仍然坐“空置” ,因为贪婪让他们买不起,如果它有允许它的房地产市场发疯了,它会像西部的房地产市场崩溃做...

现在许多的人持有这些属性是徒劳的希望,它有一天会成为摇钱树。中国可以控制,因为它可以使按揭贷款的严格,直到这些单位的价格回落或业主意识到,最多保持和资本停滞的结果等于损失。

中国学到了很多东西,看了英国撕裂他们瞎了几十年,看了许多其他国家的兴衰,从英国,日本和苏联体制,以及后者的一天贪婪导致美国经济2008年倒台。

然而......中国一直没有停止过它的基础设施建设。

最大的区别是很多事情,但我们可以看看一个简单的方面。人口马萨诸塞州...中国是它所做的一切内部更大的关心,因为它有非常高量的人,和广泛的经济鸿沟在其国家,伴随着多民族的文化群体。它可以不听愚蠢,尤其是从外面的西方国家。
中国完全清楚知道, 1万亿美元,在13亿人的国家是不一样的1万亿美元在一个国家的300万人。美国价值谱矮化中国,当它打破按人均计算。这是不是外国的东西,在中国领导人的头脑。每天的成本是巨大的,中国的公民基础。其中,作为美国公民基地每天的成本是比较低的,对经济的货币和资产的持有估值对比时。

只有政客和贪婪的华尔街大师玩的游戏,创造了在美国的金融挑战妄想...这个国家生产出贪婪的一面,多为每一个美国人住在一个全国性的标准看齐40 - 50k的基本收入产生足够的资本。因为在目前的中产阶级平均是一样的税务代码表示。 300 -400K ..这就是为什么税的目的是给打破了这些数字。

任何家庭,即使以最低的两个收入家庭支付合理的工作,能有50 -60K收入,并有4个孩子,他们得到了非常广泛的减税。这意味着它们能够保持,收入的大部分。

可悲的是,美国人太quicly的,容易导致“戏剧制作和戏剧寻找MEDIA ,世卫组织寻求激化。激发和鼓动人们陷入了疯狂,而富有的羊毛他们动不动,而他们都陷入了疯狂的戏剧游戏。
我们有一个社会媒体的疯狂已被绊倒,人们花费无数小时玩小玩意,浪费钱购买每个新打市场每三个月,后来他们前往游戏机,无知的电视真人秀,到灯红酒绿的艺人和他们的贪婪和退化。接下来是当前内战的战斗中,右翼,根本无法消化得到他们渴望的日子隔离。

虽然我们经历了这个社会的无知,中国建立它的基础设施,管理媒体,所以它不会分散和愚弄人民,迪拜等地已经获得了大量的财富来自石油,因为它从每桶19美元,平均每桶100美元,他们是500% ..基础设施建设比美国更快,更大,在其行业景气。

至于美国,没有一个单一的高速铁路在欧洲大陆上。然而,中国有一个跨越国家的实际长度。
我们甚至不知道这意味着什么,有1000多年的历史...在美国。但中国在其集体存档的历史的人都知道这是什么,并了解有他们的自由,它需要坚定形式的纪律。他们明白,自由是第一个和最重要的责任...不是我们通常认为,它是一个幻想,做你想做的任何时候你想要......对抗政府,如果它试图通过合规性灌输一些纪律。

中国是足够聪明,不放弃其治理制度的合规性管理的位置。

因此,我们需要向中国学习, , ..非功能性与功能腐败贪污的真相是什么。

人们谈论中国的腐败,它不是大于西部的腐败,它仅仅是管理进程中,在那里他们仍然起作用,他们的成长。

在这里,承建商将撕裂的项目盲,成本超支300%以上,该项目将无法完成了1/4的方式。
中国可能有一些成本超支的腐败,但其项目的完成,以及%的成本超支通过腐败不接近它在西方国家的水平。他们许多人有个人谁继续获得高%完成时,但那些人都知道,如果他们不让它运转表现良好,中国的方式,以确保他们不享受收益。

我们需要寻找和学习...作为一个国家,很多事情有时西方精英主义的幻觉不借给自己承认的。

不要误认为它意味着中国DOS不会有大量的问题,讨论的是,尽管随着这些问题,正在兴建的隆起一个民族和广阔的基础设施是对未来的可持续发展考虑内的承诺。


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/12/2013 4:46 pm

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Look at the past 40 years of China's Growth, they did not open their doors until they were prepared to deal with what might enter... Since the early 1970's American Core Industries were operating by Chinese Industrial functions, with America Advisers, This was not highly publicized, because of the level of tech that was allowable to be exchanged and transferred, but enough Industrial capability was exported during the 1970's for the production of Base Building Materials, Steel, various plastics and other construction grade building items. they worked for 20 years at this task, and in then the late 1990's they opened their doors to the public, But during the 80's and early 90's it was all about accessibility basically to industrialist, Capitalist and Engineering, once the system was set up, and it was demonstrated they had a disciplined work force that could be trained to perform repetitious task efficient then came the 'Reproduction Industry, which became the mega system it is today. Designer flock to China for mass reproduction...

China on the other hand, saw all of this because they had the control arm to regulate how it expanded, But China also began to build its Financial Markets along side this process.
With a Centralized government it did not have to fight with the people or political parties about what to do with the increase in capital gains for the State. It also did not let that transition into internal madness with becoming saturated with run away materialism. The higher ups with the connections to the industrial sectors, became quickly elitist who began to indulge in material obsessiveness. But the Central Government did not allow the wage structure nor the currency to float where the people would get a false sense of wealth built on a system that still was like a pre-teen youth.

Instead, they began to rebuild their infrastructure, tear down and rebuild sectors for the people. ( the sad part is those who did make gains in the new era, began to "hoard" these new developments, hoping to cash in on a housing bubble", but China again put that in a suspended mode, many people bought some of those properties, and those properties still sit 'unoccupied", because greed made them unaffordable, and if it had allow it's real-estate market to go crazy, it would have crashed like the western real estate market did...

Now many of those people hold those properties with a vain hope that it will some day be a cash cow. China can control that because it can make mortgage lending stringent until the prices of those units come down or the owners realize that up keep and stagnant capital results to equal a loss.

China learned a lot, it watched the British rip them blind for decades, it watched the rise and fall of many other nations, from Britain, Japan and the Soviet System, as well as the latter day US economic greed led downfall of 2008.

YET... China has not stopped building its infrastructure.

The big difference is many things, but we can look at one simple aspect. Population Mass.... China has to be of greater care about everything it does internally, because it has extremely high volumes of people, and wide economic divides across its nation, along with multiple ethnic cultural groups. It cannot listen to foolishness, especially from outside Western Nations.
China full well knows that $1 Trillion dollars, in a nation of 1.3 billion people is not the same as $1 Trillion dollars in a Nation of 300 million people. American Value spectrum is dwarfing China's when it broken down in a per capita basis. This is not something foreign in the minds of the Chinese Leadership. The daily Cost of China to it's citizen base is enormous. Where as the daily cost to the American Citizen base is relatively low when contrasted against the economic valuation of both currency and assets holdings.

Only the politicians and the greed masters of wall street play the game to create the delusion of financial challenge in American... Out side of Greed, this nations produces more than enough generated capital for every American to live at a nation wide standard on par of 40-50k base income. Because the average in the current middle class is just as the tax code stated. 300-400k.. that's why the tax was designed to give breaks up to those figures.

Any home even with the lowest paying reasonable jobs of two income family, can have a 50-60K income and with 4 kids they get very broad tax breaks. which means they are able to keep most of that earned income.

Sadly, Amerians are too quiclly and easily led by 'DRAMA MAKING AND DRAMA SEEKING MEDIA, WHO SEEK TO INFLAME. AROUSE AND AGITATE PEOPLE into a frenzy, while the wealthy fleece them at every turn while they are caught up in the madness of drama games.
We have a society that has been so tripped out by the madness of the media, people spend countless hrs playing with gadgets, and wasting money buying every new one that hits the market every three months, afterward they head to the gaming consoles, to the ignorance of reality TV, to the debauchery of the entertainers and their gluttony and degradation. next comes the current Re-fighting of the Civil War, by the Right Wing, who simply can't digest to get over their thirst for the days of segregation.

While we go through this social ignorance, China builds it infrastructure, manages it media so it does not distract and make fools of its people, Places like Dubai has gained a mass of wealth from Oil, since it went from 19 dollars a barrel, to an average of $100 a barrel, they are making 500%.. and building infrastructure faster and greater than American did during its Industrial Boom.

As for American, there is not one single High Speed Rail on the Continent. Yet, China has one that spans practically the length of its nation.
We don't even know what it means to have 1000's of years of history... in America. But China in its collective archived history knows what this is, and understand that it takes a firm form of discipline to have the freedoms they have. They understand that freedom is first and foremost a responsibility... not as we often think, its a fantasy of do what you want any time you want to.... and fight the government if it tries to instill some discipline via regulatory compliance.

China is smart enough to not give up the position of managing regulatory compliance of its system of governance.

Therefore, we need to learn from China, what is the truth of ..non functional corruption vs functional corruption.

people talk about corruption in China, it is not greater than Corruption in the west, it is simply managed in a process where they still function and they grow.

Here, a contractor will rip a project blind, an the cost over-runs will go above 300% and the project won't be 1/4 the way complete.
China may have corruption with some cost over-runs, but its projects are completed, and the % of cost over-runs via corruption does not approach the level it does in western nations. They many have individual who continue to gain high % when it complete, but those individuals know if they don't keep it operating and performing well, China has a way to insure they do not enjoy the gains.

We need to look and learn... as a nation, the many things sometimes the western illusion of elitism does not lend itself to acknowledge.

Do not mistake this to think it implies that China dos not have massive problems, the discussion is about in spite of and along with these problems, the uplift of a nation and the expanse of its infrastructure is being built for the future with sustainability consideration within the undertaking.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/12/2013 5:00 am

    Quoting jmenyo:
    @ if @ goannaoli

    I too spent my childhood and part of my teenage years in a small village which fronts a small river and with mountains on the back. The environment was good at that time. I can still remember often times we could catch many fish, shrimps and so on in the river. It was a happy childhood living in the countryside.

    My parents moved back to another bigger village which my ancestors had lived there all along, and they are still living there now. We come back to the small village once a year for sweeping my grandfather's tomb. A few years ago I noticed the river was no longer the same with the one in my momery. I could hardly find fish, shrimps and other water creatures any more. How sad!

    Yes, to some extent, China's econimic growth is in exchange with sacrificing its environment. As goannaoli said, most of the developed countries experienced the period as well during their process of economic development. Luckily they found the mistakes and corrected it. I wish my country won't get bogged down on the matter and can take effective measures to solve it soon. I am always called a patriot by others. Yes, I love my country, the feeling has nothing to do with which powerful party is in office, but because it is my homeland. I was born here, grow up here, the same with those many people I care, and our lives are still continued on this land.
you seem to be a realist, you see the mixture of changes.. you know the problems but you hope for the better in growth. you have awareness of the history and the history of challenges, as well as the contrast of growth, along with its challenges. Equally so the changes in the ways people live, and the transition from old folklore to new age thinking in a changed world.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/12/2013 4:57 am

    Quoting jmenyo:
    @ pastforward @ beyondfantasy

    Pastforward, I agree with you except the last statement: What China needs to to accept that CAPITALISM will eventually bring DEMOCRACY, whether they want it or not.

    I agree with beyondfantasy with his statement: Without stern Government Centralized system, it would be very difficult to manage under a Democracy.

    America has been trying to export their democracy to China. The attempt has never stopped so far. However, China has completely different situation from America. It not only involves the complexity of the ethnic composition, but also involves the big quality diversity of the huge population. It is no exaggeration to say that if American democracy is practised in China, it would be a great disaster for the nation.
China has completely different situation from America. It not only involves the complexity of the ethnic composition, but also involves the big quality diversity of the huge population. It is no exaggeration to say that if American democracy is practised in China, it would be a great disaster for the nation.

Many people who are quite rapid in their thoughts that China should become a full Democracy... it is not likely to happen. there is by base number 4.x times more people in China than America as well as the previous mentioned groups..
China also has a better manner of dealing with their trading markets, they don't allow them to run wild and crazy, they will shut it down if it began to slide too far or they will act to cool it off if it tries to heat up.

If China was a Democracy, they would not have progressed with Industrial growth to the pace and level they have within the time frame they did so.
The drawback is, that China built replications of 1940's,1950's and1960's smoke stack industries, and did not think ahead of managing Industrial waste. They built this quick using old style developments with a mix of facades that look impressive, but have a core operating system of old petro-fuel and old style coal energy sources. But they have grasp onto what is green tech, and built also some interesting things in these manners.
China also has a better usage of Modern Technology in their current building. they use the current computer systems in how they control thier newest developments as to the mechanics of it.

The benefit that China has, is they have access now to technology they did not have before. They produce much of the tech gadgets and they are great replicators of what ever exist in the open market.

China still has a massive amount of work to improve its internal consumer base, but it is wise to not try and make that happen all at once. Because in part Chinese people are very competitive with one another and status and face is a high concern, which too much internal material consumption could and possibly would be a runaway situation that could change so much of the people sense of value structure, it would be a great destabilizing event. The currency cannot float to high levels, it would quickly erode the capital reserves, as well as inflation would follow with the swiftness of a lightening bolt.

Countries have to move at their pace of understanding their culture and the populations volume concerns.
already in some of the mega major metropolis of China, there is much competitive and sadness, because of its western style growth and marketing saturation. Much becomes unaffordable to many. yet they are faced with it in their daily lives, which has increased the sense of stress and challenge far and beyond what it appears from the outside looking in. along with that has come a different escalation of vices and the impact of those vices upon the population.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/10/2013 7:48 am

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What China needs to to accept that CAPITALISM will eventually bring DEMOCRACY, whether they want it or not.

This is a very big concern for China, as there are so many ethnic groups that make up what is China. Without stern Government Centralized system, it would be very difficult to manage under a Democracy. They would be hindered in the building that is currently taking places, and the voice and positional stand of the diverse groups would become a tremendous challenges.

The People's Republic of China (PRC) officially recognizes 55 ethnic minority groups within China in addition to the Han majority.

Recent research showed that China currently has 5 major different language families and 129 different languages, excluding dialects or sub-dialects.

I think people get a false sense of China, by looking only at it's major industrial sectors. The country is vast and expands far and beyond what is communicated from these economic mecca's... there are sectors that do not have as readily accessible internet to even participate in large numbers to contrast the industrialized sectors usage of internet based global communication.
Not even the Chinese people know all of China, some may know of various parts, but there are parts that are unknown to them except in tid bits of information but not direct real life connection or interactions.

Education is not as selectively available to all the people in ways that people can be free to choose their course and extend of educational indulgence.

One thing that helped America was the creation of Public Schools for everyone. It was very critical to building a Democracy that promotes a single sense concept even with its two party structure.

The challenges for the whole of China is very complex, but too often so much is being measured by the Industrial Mecca's, that omits to consider the many non Industrialized and modernized sectors.

Many participants in this web site live in environments that are not dis-similar to western society communities, they have full utilities, paved streets with sidewalks, shopping areas that can rival any around the world, they have apartment complexes that equally so as not dis-similar to apartments in other places of the world, and they have the amenities of eateries and movie houses and much else that industrialized places have.
I think some of the men who come to this site looking for women, have some vain and vague idea that these women don't have accessibility to these things. when actually some of them live on par and maybe in a great many cases better than some people in western societies when viewed based on an individual level.

as to freedoms, that is a very broad subject... maybe it is not good to have a western media that makes drama out of everything and inflame simple things into drama for the sake of attracting advertisers, maybe China may be better off to manage their media in the ways as not to inflame the people with wild untamed rhetoric. We have political pundits who have wreaked havoc in the US since the advent of 24hrs news style entertainment shows, and round tables of people bickering about nothing. We have segments that promote anti government sentiments about everything, until we have governmental gridlock facing every need for improvement and even basic maintenance of our infrastructure. We have people who detest government investment to support maintenance and growth... China does not have that problem... Yes they have corruption, but equally do does every other nation, the difference is in many nations corruptions blocks progresses developments after it has ripped it off, where in China they have corruption which may rip off much, but they still complete their projects. so there is non functional corruption vs functional corruption.
Comparing countries is a daunting task and will always result to be inconclusive. It will come right back to the individual choice as to where they desire to locate themselves.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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11/10/2013 7:15 am

I think it may come down to the person... as each place will have its challenges, and its positive attributes, and any place can be great depending on ones financial resources. but there are some people who simply will not be satisfied any place.

Economic opportunity and economic positioning will have a great impact on how any place is interpreted by individuals.

Any of a wide variety of the elements such as amenities, landscape, cultural things and much can be found across the globe, but if one is in a low pay situation and it is a challenge to maintain the basic's, then many of the other elements become less indulged.
But on the flip side of this, there are many many very wealthy people who have access to any place and anything, but find their lives consumed in drugs, drink and reckless behaviors of every sort, disastrous relationships and even condition that can affect the poor as well as the well to do.

Take many cities that have beaches, some may say, Oh' I love this city because of its beaches, but they may only get to go to the beach once a year.... some in vicinities with close proximity to the beach may never even go to the beach..

When I moved here, people asked me why, they said, Oh CA has all the stores, the beaches and this and that.... But reality is , every place has stores, and every place has scenery, it matters much about the cost of living, where one can afford to live.

Many people dream about living in the ritzy areas with a mass of well to do friends, but in some of these same areas, some of the people don't even talk to each other, because they are too busy trying to maintain their lifestyle. Some complain that many people in these ritzy areas are superficial, and its all about status and measuring ones self and being measured by what the others have. Who's house is the biggest, who's yard is the most manicured, and who can dress their kids in the fanciest stuff and when it comes to schools, who's kids can afford this or boast about what they have and such things.

There simply is no utopia.

some average communities may have in some cases more community unity that a lot of places that are pristine and look like a picture from a magazine or a movie script. Reality is, people have to work, and if we look around today... the social vibe is quite different in what is considered community.

Decades ago, people knew each other in the community, people were not house jumping every other year, communities were stable and the residents were long term neighbors who developed bonds.

As to walk about viewing of well kept historic things, there are some places that are better at preserving this than others.

Take some of the Asian Locations, that many people use pedestrian means more than vehicle ownership, there is more of a social kinetic energy on the streets, because people frequently it as pedestrians,

I think some Asian who come from places that have a robust pedestrian environment, when they move, they don't find the same, and they become isolated in the house or as with many people, its from home to work and shopping for the basics, and back home.

Equally so, its like in some beach cities, people get out and enjoy the kinetic energy of others in pedestrian environments, they may not be as interactive, but they get something from the presence of the pedestrian traffic.

For example Thailand, Bangkok is with a different kinetic atom sphere, than the Beach Cities of Thailand and their Kinetic atmosphere.

As to living value for the dollar... some places may be better than others, in South America, Asian locations and such, but there is also a need of adjustments if one comes from The US, Canada or European Areas.

What is different is the sexual opportunity, because in some places foreigners are viewed as having economic means, so the available options for this aspect is expanded. people don't talk about it, but it is a factor. As well as the factors of a wider age spread between mates is far more likely to be found and relationships built with this variable.

I do find that in Asian locations they have a more open mind to the commonality of various body massage places, some have more freshly grown foods and a vast variety of small shops that sell natural grown food without a lot of mass produced preservatives, because they have access to more country growers and producers of these items.

America use to have a nature of such, but today, no one wants to farm or grow anything, and big corporate producers dominate the spectrum and they lobby to insure regulations diminish the small growers from bringing their items to market.

If one view people in various parts of any country, there are stress levels of many sorts. Material matter dominates more than it use to. and common courtesy is viewed with suspicions of every sort.

The competitive nature of life has changed many things, the status measurement of people has become far more ingrained that it use to be.
Even education now is about popular fields, and often time it results to become nothing more in some areas than 'get a job certificates', only some segments, do people actually stick with their trained profession and work within that field.

More and more countries now, have government investment in R&D via their University setting, were it was not always so, Then you take the On-line degree programs, which is more about a degree than about collaborative and institutional community grooming such as what is found on land based educational institutions.

Today, so many come out of university and they spend the next 20+ years reminiscing about their college days, and speak more about their fraternity or sorority than they do about actually having learned something. I see so many who are quick to quote dead poets as their claim to being a learned person... and sprinkling their talk with quotes of sorts, but not dealing with the details of the matter.
We saw systemic failure across many industries by University Degree claimed individual who have or had been 'script clone trained" to think alike and follow a political correctness programming of make not committed statement about anything, use ambiguity and stay in the neutral zone. When the crash happened, many of those same people failed to read the signals, and resulted to publicly state they did not know what happen and they do not have an answer to make the corrections to fix it.

There are good and great performers in every place, and there are people with unique and quite bewildering capabilities in every place.

Today, there are young kids who can out perform some University Degree holders ... see this example:

* 13-year-old Alexander Weiss ," the "MasterChef Junior"
* 12-Year-Old Rohan Agrawal ~ Whiz As Smart As Ph.Ds
* Sylvia Todd, a 12-year-old tech genius
* 12-year-old Neha Ramu~ "Neha scored 162 on the Cattell IIIB test / Her IQ scores indicate that she is more intelligent than physicist Stephen Hawking, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and scientist Albert Einstein, who are all thought to have an IQ of 160.

many people in various Asian and non Asian foreign locations that are claimed to be on a lesser economic scale than Both European and USA levels,
Result to have many people in their areas who have more accumulated savings than some of the people in European and USA.

I think what people don't get as in all countries, there is the social nepotism at work.. when it comes to the top level high income positions. (each may investigate what that means on their own).

People Gravitate to Any Nation that is in a situation of Industrial High Performance. It once happens in Europe, It once long ago happen In Greece, I has happen in many places. There was a time when all nations flocked to Japan during its Economic Boom whether as temp resident of by any means they could secure resident access.
What results is wages spike, and soon those places look to more disadvantaged economic countries for cheap labor, and then industry up and moves, and people follow. It's the history of mankind. ....

China is making great strides, but the difference of nations and their capital reserves, is equally so impacted by the volume of its population, which changes the dynamics of what a Trillion dollars can do. building is a great things to do, but time is a reality that bring facts, that this infrastructure will become more costly to maintain over the span of time.