184 posts 10/3/2020 7:48 pm
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DH Lawrence Quotes
“Democracy in America was never the same as Liberty in Europe. In Europe, Liberty was a great life-throb. But in America Democracy was always something anti-life. The greatest democrats, like Abraham Lincoln, had always a sacrificial, self-murdering note in their voices. American Democracy was a form of self-murder, always. Or of murdering somebody else... The love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a sort of by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.”
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“Life is ours to be spent, not to be saved.”
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887 posts 10/6/2020 5:08 pm |
I came across one television interview with Professor Joe Henrich regarding his book "The Weirdest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous "I find it fascinating how he sees the world and I think it's relevant to DH Lawrence quotes.
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10/6/2020 7:04 pm
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Well....if the shoe fits......wear it.
I was watching one of my favorite personages (talking head railing about the last days of the American Empire) ranting about how things are becoming....and he made reference to the last days of Ceaucestceau in Romania; in particular, videos of his last twenty minute lecture before he was helicoptered from the building as the crowds turned on him. He had in the past week before botched this screwed up a "fake suicide" of the leader of the Romanian Army and Defense Forces--and the guy died. So his guys let it happen...within 48 hours from where they landed they were shot.
Best part was the videos where he railed against thousands of angry Romanian workers raising his fist upwards extolling the virtues of socialism.....and as the "worm turned" it was apparent to everyone including his wife (who was by his side) that this was going SOUTH real fast. He could be heard telling her to shut he has got this....then the security guys were beckoning him to leave and he still remained spewing the pablum of his reign.
But that was Romania....who knows?
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sparrowhawk9 replies on 10/6/2020 7:10 pm:
Nicolae Ceauşescu (Romanian pronunciation: [nikoˈla.e tʃa.uˈʃesku]; 26 January 1918 25 December 1989) was a Romanian politician who was the Secretary General of the Romanian Communist Party from 1965 to 1989, President of the Council of State from 1967, and President of Romania from 1974 to 1989.
His rule was marked in the first decade by an open policy towards Western Europe and the United States, which deviated from that of the other Warsaw Pact states during the Cold War. He continued a trend first established by his predecessor, Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, who had tactfully coaxed the Soviet Union into withdrawing troops from Romania in 1958.[1]
Ceauşescu's second decade was characterized by an increasingly erratic personality cult, nationalism and a deterioration in foreign relations with the Western powers as well as the Soviet Union. Ceauşescu's government was overthrown in a December 1989 military coup, and he and his wife were executed following a televised two-hour session by a kangaroo court.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_...
Nicolae Ceaușescu: (cu tonul obișnuit) „Dragi tovarăși și pretini, cetățeni ai capitalii României socialiste. Doresc, în primu’ rând, să vă adresez dumneavoastră, participanților la acestă mare adunare populară, tutulol loc’itorilor mun’cipului București, un salut călduros, rev’loţionar, împreună cu cele mai bune urări de succes în toati domenilii de activitate.”
(urale)
NC: „Doresc, de asemenea, s’adresez mulțumiri inițiatorilor (zâmbește și privește în partea dreaptă) și organizatorilor acestei mare manifestări populare din București… (vuiet în piață)…considerând acesta…(vuietul crește)… ca o…”
Elena Ceaușescu: (către cei din balcon) „Trage cineva.”
Emil Bobu: (la urechea lui NC) „Vino-n Sediu’.”
EC: „Ăă, ce vine? Cutremur?”
NC: „Cee?”
EB: „Vino-n Sediu!”
NC: „Cee?”
EB: „Vino-n Sediu’. Repede! Vino-n Sediu!’.”
NC: „Nu, mă, ho!” (adresându-i-se probabil lui EB care-l presa să se retragă)
(o voce, probabil primarul Bucureștiului? sau to Emil Bobu, agent de influență al rusiei): „A dat „ tunul ” cineva, acolo, Ia stați!… (neinteligibil, probabil „o plesnitoare”)”
NC: „Alo, aa..lo…”
EB: „Ia, stați…”
NC: „Alo…”
EC: „Liniște.”
NC: „Alo…alo…aa…lo.”
EC: (pur și simplu scandează) „Li-niş-te, li-niş-te, li-niş-te!”
NC: „Alo…alo….”
EC: „Li-niş-te!”
(o voce, probabil E : „Dragi tovarăși!”
NC: „Alo…alo….” (bătăi cu mâna în microfon)
EC: „Liniște!”
NC: (i se adresează lui EC) „Șhhhh!, Taci măi!” „Alo, tovarăși!” „Tovarăși, așezați-vă liniștiți!” „Tovarăși!”
EC: „Stați liniștiți!”
NC: „Tovarăși!”
EC: „Alo…”
NC: „Tovarăși! Așezați-vă liniștiți!”
NC: „Alo…”
EC: „Stați liniștiți, oameni buni!”
NC: „Tovarăși, așezați-vă liniștiți!”
EC: „Alo… (bate în microfon, probabil cu un pix) Ce-i cu voi? Liniște! (bate foarte des în microfon)”
EB: „Tovarăși!”
EC: (continuă să bată în microfon) „Liniște!”
EB: „Tovarăși, stați pe loc!” (mulți fugiseră după izbucnirea inițială și se dispersaseră).
EB: „Adunați pă toți tovarășii!”
EC: „Adunați-i pe toți. Ce e cu voi? Stați liniștiți! Liniște! N-auzi?”
EB: „Liniște! (cineva tot bate în microfon, probabil cu mâna)”
NC: „Alo…”
EB: „Ia, uite, stau oamenii… (neinteligibil)”
NC: „Alo…”
EB: „Tovarăși, mergeți acolo …(neinteligibil)”
EB: „Liniște!”
NC: „Alo… așezați-vă liniștiți la locurili voastre! (se adresează celor din balcon) Asta-i o provocare. (din nou la microfon) Alo! Alo!”
EC: „Așezați-vă liniștiți. Stați liniștiți!”
NC: „Alo… cetățeni ai capitalii…”
EB: „Mergeți înapoi, tovarăși.” (NC îi face semn să tacă, privește spre piață și își mușcă buzele cu expresia celui care-și dă seama că situația nu e în regulă, apoi face cu mâna fără prea multă convingere gestul acela de salut din coloana oficială).
EC: „Stați liniștiți!”
NC: (către cei din balcon) „E un grup, acolo…”
EC: „ Liniștiți…liniște! (apoi către NC) Vorbește-le, vorbește-le!” „Alo!”
NC: (reia pe tonul obișnuit) „Încă o dată, doresc să subliniez că trebuie să demonstrăm cu toată puterea forța și unitatea în apărarea independenţii, integrității și suveranității României etc. etc.”
(NC încheie discursul în fața activiștilor de nădejde. Acesta este ultimul contact cu poporul). |
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10/6/2020 7:14 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk
The speech on youtube.....
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887 posts 10/7/2020 6:01 am |
I have to admit I didn't know about this part of history and I don't know anything about Romania. Apart from the famous Olympian Nadia Comaneci who scored a perfect 10. It's uneasy after watching his last speech and understood they were executed. I watched the video about the court and how they forced them to tie their hands behind their back then push them into dark room and shot them .........
Nowadays, I still can see many Romanian working in the UK for better salary and life style. I wonder if Romania had changed into better country after that 'dark period of time' ? I dislike violence and I was petrified.
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sparrowhawk9 replies on 10/7/2020 7:30 am:
One of Romania's problems is the mass migration caused by corruption.....we take for granted law and order.
I worked with a friend who was brutally tortured by the Securitat....walking with a limp for the rest of his life. An American engineer who was performing duties for his country before he was caught and formally exchanged.
Another was Mihai who studied at Moscow State University under the great Popov....he was an expert in control theory....who escaped after carefully planning for three years to Canada. His behavior was at times very odd....for him to pull off the escape plan took an immense toll of his family....and he said he was lucky.
Violence in Romania then was like drinking water....a means to an end.
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887 posts 10/7/2020 9:18 am |
I would imagine the situation improves after Romania became part of EU since 2007 so people can 'escape' freely around Europe ? You are right, we take for granted law and order.
I just discover BBC documentary about Nicolae Ceausescu "The King of Communism: Nicolae Ceausescu", something to watch this evening.
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