ivy8686 47F
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8/1/2013 12:34 am
who can tell love and marriage views of Americans and europeans'


who knows it?

beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/2/2013 4:56 am

I don't see why very very very wealthy men would get married, especially in a climate of life where women who have nothing, enter the marriage and then want to walk away with half of something she did not put in any work to earn it. being in a relationship should be based on desire to be together, not with a concept or expectation that one will get half of another possession when they get ready to leave.

If I became very wealthy, I don't see a reason I'd enter into something that has that potential of issue. I think Pre-nups, should be IRON CLAD, and not subject to challenge. Period...

I think its archaic for women to walk away with part of what a man earned, just because she was with him for a period of time, nothing prohibited her from pursuing her own earnings, but I do think child support should be paid, but I don't see any reason for alimony.

If someone does not want to be with me, it certainly is no reason for me to make them wealthy after the fact. I think that's simply not even a logical concept. as to the children, yes make life comfortable for them and provide what they need, but the woman needs to get busy and figure out how to contribute to her own life, especially after she leaves, she should not be leaving with an expectations that she will live a lush life off the mans money.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/2/2013 5:21 pm

I think a man with money should find a way to shield it before he gets married. So the woman is full well aware that she won't be walking away with what he earned.
People are so in love with "brevity" may be the reasons why Pre-Nup's have so many holes in them. The point is, SPELL OUT THE DETAILS, and be explicit. I don't care a great deal about brevity in matters that have variables which need to be addressed to project the perspective clearly.

I generally can tell the women who are money chasers, as well as those who would other wise have nothing to say if they thought the man did not have something she aimed for.
Equally so, the men who go for the women with all the designer stuff and labels on everything, should know that he will end up buying that stuff at over inflated prices if he chooses her, unless she is herself independently wealthy and is not looking for a man to support her vanity in such manners.

There are women who not only work, but build their own Along Beside the man, as a two earning family... If she does not become greedy, then if they split she should only want to divide the things they mutually invested in during their time together.

for me, it does have to suit anyone else, I personally am not attracted to women who think the whole relationships is about them, or they think its their job to control and regulate the man with tantrums and expectations followed by ultimatums and close the legs games. Nor do I cater to the women who have that subtle projection as if they think a man should worship them because of sex.

I've seen lots of guys get hoodwinked by women in a multitude of ways, as too many men spend too much time trying to win women, and that is a sad game, because it is rife with manipulations. I don't need to win a woman. beside if a man wins something or buys something, it should imply he can do what he wants with it, so why have some crazy concept of winning a woman..
I leave those kind of women for the men who want them.

I've been on this site a while, I'm, not here looking for a woman, I come here basically to 'write" and that basically what I do when I'm here.

as to women options, I have those in real life if I want to select, and I'm quite sure finding a woman in the web is not a difficult thing.

I'm not too thrilled about some of the temperamental women who have come and gone on this site. most of them stay only as long as they feel they are the new flavor of the season, but when people don't agree to all they say, many flee quicker than the clouds in the sky can change shape.

Over-all men have to respect himself and not think they have to become a suck up and such just to get with a woman. If she can't deal with reality in general, she surely won't be able to deal with the many cycles of what is reality in a relationship.

Life is as simple as it is complex, but the elements of its complexity is what produces the simplicity when its regarded...

too many women want to use sex to lure and catch.. as in: using it to try and catch, hold and control... and when it does not work, they are quick to be ready to flee.
Sadly, many men don't pick up on that cycle of trait manner until its too late.

It becoming more and more rare to find a woman who understand that loves means more than the 'thought that someone is expected to give her stuff"....

People need to figure out what "HELP MATE MEANS", because if they are not willing to be one, then they should not expect to get one.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/5/2013 4:53 pm

Historically speaking, African heritage people who is American, fought more for the Constitution to REPRESENT ALL PEOPLE, where say for generations and centuries, white, middle-class, agnostic persons fought more for the Constitution to be only representative of white, middle-class, agnostic persons.
As the most disenfranchised group in American, African heritage people who is American, still to this date push forward for 'the Constitution and the ways of the land to be for "ALL PEOPLE",,, with opportunity for all people... where sadly, there are segments of white, middle-class, lower class and elite class agnostic persons still create policy and programming to segregate segments of America and American systems solely for themselves.

If one reads various point and perspectives of history, African people were on the North and Latin Cultured - Central American Continent long before the European white people arrived here. Many of the first African people were free people, it was not until the white culture set in and began to pursue their economic aims with a vengeful determination, they took what the early non Europeans settlers had, as well as they proceeded to take what the Native Americans had, but highly publicized his-story will not promote these aspects about the early days of European Arrival upon these lands, nor will they speak in public promotion of the era before the dominant influx of the Europeans arrived.
The first Europeans who came here were a large volume of vagabonds and the character elements that Europe did not want in their midst. who resulted to come to the New Territory with the pursuit of riches by any means.

What many people don't know is many of the slaves were 'farmers and hunters" from a long history of such, before they were brought her against their will. It was their knowledge and capability at farming which helped this nation grow from the land clearing to the crop cultivation and skill at harvesting.
the first Europeans would have starved to death, if it had not been for the Native Indian's who helped and taught them how to survive. they in turn, turned on the same natives and tried to enslave them to seek gold and any other monetary elements they could cash in on.
Eventually, displacing the Indians, and killing off the Buffalo and claiming the land,
The real history is not the polished stuff they push off in the school system and certainly not the stuff they pushed off during the long period of segregation and the delusion of trying to promote a concept of white superiority.

Much of the truth that are untold can be seen in the same policies of the wealthy against the poor, and the racial bigotry that rages still in many sectors and through out the political system especially within the Right Wing Agenda Programming.

Asian were dis-acknowledge and contained, used strictly for labor to expand the economic infrastructure of mining, and the early railroads, building dams and other such thing, beyond that, they were expected to stay silent as a means to be dis-acknowledge and left alone as long as they confined themselves to the sectors designated for them.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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8/6/2013 6:33 pm

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No I did not means Asian, I meant as I wrote, African.

Historians, archeologists, anthropologists and other scientists and scholars now know that Columbus did not discover America. Not only were native Americans present when he reached the New World, but also Africans, Asians and Europeans, among others, had been sailing to the Americas thousands of years before Columbus ventured across the Atlantic.

Of the various people who reached America before Columbus, Black Africans appear to have made the most contacts and to have had the greatest impact. During the 19th and 20th centuries, several scholars wrote books and articles about this subject and urged the academic establishment to change primary and secondary curricula across the country to reflect the great contributions of African people to early America. Unfortunately, such pleas fell on deaf ears; so again this October our children are being taught the myth that Columbus discovered America.

In August of this year, a group of 13 African Americans participated in a study-tour of numerous Mexican archeological sites. Led by the renowned Black historian and architect, Mathu Otir, and two Mexican guides, we visited numerous museums, temples, pyramids and cities, most of which reflected the genius of the native American Mayas and Aztecs. Toward the end of the tour, in southern Mexico, we began to see the remains of an ancient Black presence.

Evidence of the early Africans is widespread and varied. Dozens of majestic stone heads have been found at ancient sacred sites, such as La Venta and Tres Zapotes in southern Mexico (See photograph). Ranging up to 9 feet and 4 inches in height, with a circumference of 22 feet, and weighing 30 to 40 tons, these colossal statues depict helmeted Black men with large eyes, broad fleshy noses and full lips. They appear to represent priest-kings who ruled vast territories in the ancient New World from provinces near the Gulf of Mexico.

In the holy city of La Venta, dating back to at least 1500 BC, four of these large stone heads were discovered on a ceremonial platform featuring a miniature step pyramid and a conical pyramid - the earliest of such monuments to appear in the Americas.

Other art-work also serves as evidence of Africans in America before Columbus. For years the late art historian, Alexander Von Wuthenau, collected ancient clay figurines that provide clues regarding the diversity of America's pre-Columbian population. His remarkable African collection depicts priests, chiefs, dancers, wrestlers, drummers, beautiful women and stately men - a collage of Black people who occupied every stratum of society from Mexico to South America.

Negroid skulls and skeletons have also been found throughout the New World. Polish professor Andrzej Wiercinski has revealed the discovery of African skulls at Olmec sites in Tlatilco, Cerro de las Mesas and Monte Alban. Furthermore, very ancient African skeletons have been unearth in California, Mexico, Central and South America.

The best evidence of the Black presence in America before Columbus comes from the pen of the "great discoverer" himself. In his Journal of the Second Voyage, Columbus reported that when he reached Haiti the native Americans told him that black-skinned people had come from the south and southeast in boats, trading in gold-tipped medal spears. At least a dozen other European explorers, including Vasco Nunez de Balboa, also reported seeing or hearing of "Negroes" when they reached the New World.

Nicholas Leon, an eminent Mexican authority, recorded the oral traditions of his people. Some of them reported that "the oldest inhabitants of Mexico were blacks[T]he existence of blacks and giants is commonly believed by nearly all the races of our sail and in their various language they had words to designate them."

Early Mexican scholars were convinced that the impact of the Black explorers on the New World was profound and enduring. One author, J.A. Villacorta, has written: "Any way you view it, Mexican civilization had its origin in Africa." Modern excavations throughout Latin America appear to confirm Villacorta's conclusions.

The Olmec civilization, which appears to have been of African origin or to have been dominated by Africans, was the Mother Culture of Mexico. Of this, Michael Coe, the leading American historian on Mexico, has written that, "there is not the slightest doubt that all later civilizations in [Mexico and Central America], rest ultimately on an Olmec base."

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There are many interesting reading via the web, which discuss many things long ago left out the methods of American History Teachings. For a nation that spent its time up to the 1970's trying by every means to discredit non white American inhabitants, It is not a big stretch to understand the left out parts of history teachings, especially based in a system of society that was determined to promote a delusional concept of white superiority. Under that aim and guise, it is not even logical to think they'd acknowledge credit of any sort unto any other ethnic group and certainly not to a group it has spent hundreds of years trying to paint as being 'less than" by intent and effort in every negative scenario imaginable.

It's still so bad, that there are many today who refuse to acknowledge President Obama as the elected President. Today, in the news, the Republican Party is still trying to claim every reason imaginable why they lost, rather than to acknowledge that a person of black heritage flat out beat them, even after the Right Wing spent a billion dollars and engaged in every method they could muster to promote voter discrimination, they simply can't digest that he beat them and won the vote and did so by a grand march to become again, the President of the United States.

Soon as President Obama was elected, up rises of the "Tea Party", was nothing more than a remake of a Confederate era modeling of the KKK fused with the Confederate ideologies as a new era program of the same race based delusion of white superiority madness.
As President Clinton said, Obama has accomplished what no one else could or did, he helped bring this nation from the brink of its own republican devised economic collapse, he pulled out of a pointless war in Iraq and he achieved to pass a health care bill that many before him had not, It may not be perfect but it is certainly a foundational start to move us toward a nationwide health care program. The biggest stall is the Confederate minded Republicans who are determined to try and create default to anything and everything that Obama engages to work on. But the days of the bigotry driven republican system is in a dying stage, because the world can't stomach their brand of policies. President Obama opened up a new era of diplomacy, over mad dog stomp and march and bully... games, that is the foundational programming of the Republican system. To this very day, the Republicans have grid locked anything they could, with their stated aim, that their main mission was to try and defeat and deny President Obama at every point they could muster to attack.

When America can finally shed itself of these Confederate Minded types it will become the nation it has design and capability of being. and that is an America for 'All People" who are citizens of America.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/7/2013 5:12 am

You are welcome to do your own readings, and chose what you like of them.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/8/2013 5:09 pm

Probably not to you...it would never makes sense.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/9/2013 5:12 am

this will probably get you wound up

Who Were The First Americans?

Stefan Lovgren for National Geographic News
September 3, 2003


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/9/2013 5:30 pm

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I guess this is directed to me?

you need not guess, it's practically a given, considering we are the only two writing in this post about these things.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/9/2013 5:37 pm

Actually, there is more that is unknown that will be known any time soon, if and as many claim the many many thousands upon thousands of years of life on earth... who knows what it once looked like, plates shifting, and many other things.
I've even watched shows that speak about depictions of the coast line outlined when it sits beneath Ice so thick that modern day people did not know what the actual coast line looked like.
We don't know why the Mayan people vanished, or why people abandoned some of the great archeological finds which depict cities and etc.
Just as people vanished and appeared in other places, over many centuries.
You point to Asian features, but the one items I posted, speaks about the people of Africa migrating and many mixtures of many centuries producing many different cultures.
I would actually think in long long ago history Asia and Africa were probably once trading partners as well as mating partners, because there is a vast range of skin tones in both Asian, Africa, South and Central American, and Among the American Indians of long ago.
I did not buy into the history even in school that tried to teach that everything was rooted in the white mans likeness and was done by the white mans actions.
History teacher would always become perturbed when the questions would be drawn up about other ethnic groups, because the teacher themselves had been trained to teach this stuff.
When the American system of white men, worked to invest themselves in slavery, one elements was to destroy not only connectivity among black people, but to do all they could to wipe out any trace of history or the factors related to African history. Pre and During Jim Crow, white men concocted every ruse imaginable to try and claim black people were incapable of what ever, and they spend energy generating volumes of ruse material to paint themselves as the one viable being as well as to try and discount any other man, because he wanted to claim himself the only one able to be called a man.

Kids and many adults today reject all that crap kind of teaching,

True fact is, the world is made of all people, because all people is what it takes to make the reality of the world, in the past and in present day.

Just like individuals are with their uniqueness and many other distinguishing things, so is ethnic groups equally so.
There are many writing about such things, There also is a variety of temperament variance across the ethnic spectrum's, Some ethnicity have lived up to present day without totally destroying the natural environment they inhabit, where some have purely devastated the environments they inhabit.

It is unknown what motivated mankind to spread about the globe, but I'd suspect, they did so simply because they could. Even animals migrate many many thousands of miles and some do it annually and some do it seasonally. Some things it will be 100's of years before its uncovered or discovered.

I personally find it amazing that whole cities could be covered over by sand and dirt, and not even a hit that such things existed is present on the surface.
We don't know what's under some parts of the Oceans... nor how long ago it may have been that such things were above water.

We don't even know if the link between land masses exist without great spans of water and water turbulence, it may have been connected in a way that smooth boating may have been a distinct possibility at a given point and time in past history.

It's all about as amazing as only less than 100 years ago, it took reams of paper to compile data, when today, a computer screen and a thumb drive can contain more than one has time to read. and it can be carried in one's pocket, along with a pocket full of other stuff and not take up much space in the pocket. at one time reaching the moon was not even a realism, and getting an automobile to travel at 40-50 mph was a big challenge for a great while even during the early years of the evolution of the automobile.
Yet, today a man and submerge himself in a tube and say submerged and travel along the depth of the oceans.

Therefore to speak about and claim something did not take place, especially with regards to the movement of people, I'd not make such a claim nor statement to say these vast travels were not a potential in the human sphere of time and life


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
8/9/2013 5:38 pm

Actually, there is more that is unknown that will be known any time soon, if and as many claim the many many thousands upon thousands of years of life on earth... who knows what it once looked like, plates shifting, and many other things.
I've even watched shows that speak about depictions of the coast line outlined when it sits beneath Ice so think that modern day people did not know what the actual coast line looked like.
We don't know why the Mayan people vanished, or why people abandoned some of the great archeological finds which depict cities and etc.
Just as people vanished and appeared in other places, over many centuries.
You point to Asian features, but the one items I posted, speaks about the people of Africa migrating and many mixtures of many centuries producing many different cultures.
I would actually think in long long ago history Asia and Africa were probably once trading partners as well as mating partners, because there is a vast range of skin tones in both Asian, Africa, South and Central American, and Among the American Indians of long ago.
I did not buy into the history even in school that tried to teach that everything was rooted in the white mans likeness and was done by the white mans actions.
History teacher would always become perturbed when the questions would be drawn up about other ethnic groups, because they teacher themselves had been trained to teach this stuff.
When the American system of white men, worked to invest themselves in slavery, one elements was to destroy not only connectivity among black people, but to do all they could to wipe out any trace of history or the factors related to African history. Pre and During Jim Crow, white men concocted every ruse imaginable to try and claim black people were incapable of what ever, and they spend energy generating volumes of ruse material to paint themselves as the one viable being as well as to try and discount any other man, because he wanted to claim himself the only one able to be called a man.
Kids today reject all that crap kind of teaching,

True fact is, the world is made of all people, because all people is what it takes to make the reality of the world, in the past and in present day.

Just like individuals are with their uniqueness and many other distinguishing things, so is ethnic groups equally so.
There are many writing about such things, There also is a variety of temperament variance across the ethnic spectrum's, Some ethnicity have lived up to present day without totally destroying the natural environment they inhabit, where some have purely devastated the environments they inhabit.

It is unknown what motivated mankind to spread about the globe, but I's suspect, they did so simply because they could. Even animals migrate many many thousands of miles and some do it annually and some do it seasonally. Some things it will be 100's of years before its uncovered or discovered.

I personally find it amazing that whole cities could be covered over by sand and dirt, and not even a hint that such things existed, is present on the surface.
We don't know what's under some parts of the Oceans... nor how long ago it may have been that such things were above water.

We don't even know if the link between land masses exist without great spans of water and water turbulence, it may have been connected in a way that smooth boating may have been a distinct possibility at a given point and time in past history.

It's all about as amazing as only less than 100 years ago, it took reams of paper to compile data, when today, a computer screen and a thumb drive can contain more than one has time to read. and it can be carried in one's pocket, along with a pocket full of other stuff and not take up much space in the pocket.
At one time reaching the moon was not even a realism, and getting an automobile to travel at 40-50 mph was a big challenge for a great while even during the early years of the evolution of the automobile.
Yet, today a man and submerge himself in a tube and say submerged and travel along the depth of the oceans.

Therefore to speak about and claim something did not take place, especially with regards to the movement of people, I'd not make such a claim nor statement to say these vast travels were not a potential in the human sphere of time and life