lxqizi 78F
1657 posts
10/4/2014 6:24 am
Snowden won the "offbeat Nobel award"


Snowden won the "offbeat Nobel award"

Snowden won the "offbeat Nobel Award" may let America into diplomatic embarrassment, it is hard to restore the intimate relations with Germany and other European allies.
Recently had the media disclosure, Snowden because of exposure of a large number of America monitoring activities, American CIA has suspended part of the monitoring of the European friendly countries, including suspension and friendly countries of the government department work "informant" meeting, to stop the recruitment of local "informant", but the CIA declined to comment on the report.
USA former defense contractor employees, "leak" Snowden was awarded the "Swedish offbeat Nobel Award", in recognition of its disclosure project monitoring American large-scale government courage and wisdom.
Sweden proper life foundation decided to this year's "the right livelihood Award" awarded to Snowden. Help the disclosure USA monitoring project Guardian editor RUSBRIDGER (Alan Rusbridger) along with award-winning.
Allegedly was also Nobel Peace Prize nominee Snowden since the last year has been in exile in russia. He has been accused of violating American Espionage Act, could face up to 30 years in prison. (turn)

Bobz56 72M
150 posts
10/4/2014 8:29 am

Well, at least he got some positive recognition.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/4/2014 5:08 pm

Snowden was foolish, every nations is into information gathering,
If he had been smart in my estimation of what he thought he was doing, he would have parallel his information against other nations and he would have found that the parallels linked and the only differentiations as to what is gathered would be found in the country with the most sophisticated systems, capable of higher performance than other nations.

Because you can bet your entirety, if any other nation(s) had or have the upper levels of tech to gather data, they would and they do. Most nations leaders already know what they think of each other, what levels of trust they have or don't have of each other, and what they can and cannot share with integrity with others. That's the way of the world.

Anyone in any country who thinks their country is not a data gathering entity is either plain in denial or simply unaware to ponder the obvious.

Currently, Social Media and Marketing Site, as well as Banking probably know more about the average person, than they know about themselves.

We live in the "Age of Information".!!!! just what do people think that means, or what is it that people think it does not mean.

There is no such thing as Privacy, that is a faux usage of the term, what there is; is varying levels of confidentiality when it comes to information relative to the level that it deals with.
Privacy does not reside on anything Server Connected. If it did, there would be no such thing as Hackers gaining access.

Every Nation knows how to have a disconnected system without it going through a tremendous system of many lock outs.

Any Nation can shut down any sector of the transmission at any time they choose for what ever reasons they can label as justifiable.


lxqizi 78F
1668 posts
10/4/2014 5:49 pm

Snowden's behavior is exactly the right choice or should be blamed or punished?


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/5/2014 8:22 am

Snowden's behavior is exactly the right choice or should be blamed or punished?

He thrust himself into precarious situation, with unknown consequences. Jail time may be the least of challenges his chosen position imposes within and upon himself.


lxqizi 78F
1668 posts
10/5/2014 9:03 am

He was a United States professional spy, from the point of view of his behavior is a serious dereliction of duty or occupational crime, United States Government will give him a trial and incarceration of punishment;However, from other countries, Snowden revealed the United States monitor issues such as much of the world intelligence, for the listening state, apparently welcomed Lord Snowdon's behavior, so she gave him the award;ThenGet two completely opposite answers to the questionsThis is because the position is different!!


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/5/2014 12:21 pm

Then, Get two completely opposite answers to the questions; This is because the position is different!!

Yes, those who thirst for this type of info would favor him. Yet, many of those who do thirst for it, have skeletons in their own closet as well. It makes for good diversionary focus away from themselves in the open discussion about information gathering to focus on the folly of commentary and information from Snowden.

Again, we know all nations do it and they pay a large sum to engage in doing so.

I thought him to be an idiot ( An idiot = someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. )
when he first did it, and I have not seen anything that changes my perception of him being an idiot.

[quote]
The political implications are grave. Snowden has given Beijing something it couldn't achieve on its own: moral equivalence. Now, China can portray itself as a victim, besieged by America, and simply trying to defend itself. Snowden's initial leaks on NSA programs also caused substantial political harm, above and beyond the intelligence damage. Several European governments which co-operated with the US are now predictably running for the tall grass, endangering the continuity of existing programs and damaging prospects for future co-operation. As with the Bradley Manning/WikiLeaks exposure of thousands of classified State Department and Pentagon cables, Europeans want to know why Washington can't protect sensitive information.

But Beijing does not deserve moral equivalence, given the intensity of its cyber-attacks against America. The key point is that China struck first.

By inaccurately elevating Beijing to moral equivalence with Washington, Snowden obscured this critical distinction, giving China political shelter.

But what Americans should understand most importantly is what the China leaks reveal about Snowden. If he is lying about these programs, as in some of his earlier assertions about NSA's eavesdropping, that tells us something important about his character. And if he is telling the truth, revealing sensitive information about American efforts to protect itself against the world's greatest cyber-warfare power, that tells us even more about his character.

NSA activities against China do not even arguably violate the privacy of US citizens, which is Snowden's supposedly highminded motive for initially breaking his word, dishonorably and deceitfully. In fact, Snowden's unilateral decision to leak endangers the national security of 300 million other Americans. He didn't ask their views or their permission, and he has no democratic legitimacy whatever.
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The term "Idiot" suits well to describe what his actions present him as being.


lxqizi 78F
1668 posts
10/5/2014 9:16 pm

    Quoting  :

亲爱的
你不是要跟我聊天说话吗?
怎么不见你的行动?
哈哈哈哈哈!
开玩笑!


lxqizi 78F
1668 posts
10/5/2014 9:26 pm

    Quoting beyondfantasy3:
    Then, Get two completely opposite answers to the questions; This is because the position is different!!

    Yes, those who thirst for this type of info would favor him. Yet, many of those who do thirst for it, have skeletons in their own closet as well. It makes for good diversionary focus away from themselves in the open discussion about information gathering to focus on the folly of commentary and information from Snowden.

    Again, we know all nations do it and they pay a large sum to engage in doing so.

    I thought him to be an idiot ( An idiot = someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. )
    when he first did it, and I have not seen anything that changes my perception of him being an idiot.

    [quote]
    The political implications are grave. Snowden has given Beijing something it couldn't achieve on its own: moral equivalence. Now, China can portray itself as a victim, besieged by America, and simply trying to defend itself. Snowden's initial leaks on NSA programs also caused substantial political harm, above and beyond the intelligence damage. Several European governments which co-operated with the US are now predictably running for the tall grass, endangering the continuity of existing programs and damaging prospects for future co-operation. As with the Bradley Manning/WikiLeaks exposure of thousands of classified State Department and Pentagon cables, Europeans want to know why Washington can't protect sensitive information.

    But Beijing does not deserve moral equivalence, given the intensity of its cyber-attacks against America. The key point is that China struck first.

    By inaccurately elevating Beijing to moral equivalence with Washington, Snowden obscured this critical distinction, giving China political shelter.

    But what Americans should understand most importantly is what the China leaks reveal about Snowden. If he is lying about these programs, as in some of his earlier assertions about NSA's eavesdropping, that tells us something important about his character. And if he is telling the truth, revealing sensitive information about American efforts to protect itself against the world's greatest cyber-warfare power, that tells us even more about his character.

    NSA activities against China do not even arguably violate the privacy of US citizens, which is Snowden's supposedly highminded motive for initially breaking his word, dishonorably and deceitfully. In fact, Snowden's unilateral decision to leak endangers the national security of 300 million other Americans. He didn't ask their views or their permission, and he has no democratic legitimacy whatever.
    [End Quote]

    The term "Idiot" suits well to describe what his actions present him as being.
Ha ha ha!
Your evaluation is very interesting!
It seems that you are very concerned about the political issues and have their own opinion
Terrific
Is a thinking person
About Snowden
Is an idiot? Or what?
I can not comment
True political events I have not made any investigation
I can not make a survey
As such
Basically we get the news from official sources
So
These messages itself has its own color
Can not say without distortion!
I do not want to evaluate
But I do not understand one thing
Snowden Why do this?
His aim to achieve it?
I've been thinking,,,,,


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/6/2014 4:39 am

    Quoting lxqizi:
    Ha ha ha!
    Your evaluation is very interesting!
    It seems that you are very concerned about the political issues and have their own opinion
    Terrific
    Is a thinking person
    About Snowden
    Is an idiot? Or what?
    I can not comment
    True political events I have not made any investigation
    I can not make a survey
    As such
    Basically we get the news from official sources
    So
    These messages itself has its own color
    Can not say without distortion!
    I do not want to evaluate
    But I do not understand one thing
    Snowden Why do this?
    His aim to achieve it?
    I've been thinking,,,,,
Like within many nations, there are various factions who have their own agenda.
We the public don't know: (a). Snowden could be aligned with the Sovereign Citizen system, (b), He may have been a disgruntled employee, (c). He may have been one of the types who think he was not getting recognition he felt he wanted. (d). It's unlikely that he was unaware of the nature of the work, yet may well not know or care, that Information dumps have always existed. (e). It could be purely political, as many Right Winger will do anything to bring controversy to the Obama Presidency.
His claim, was America is data collecting on american citizens. But that could not have been his true agenda, because he disclosed info related to out International Partners. I would think his over-riding agenda may have more to do with trying to "embarrass the office of the President", to make it more difficult for him to engage Foreign Relations.


lxqizi 78F
1668 posts
10/6/2014 5:58 am

So what Snowden they want?
Does not he intends to yourself?