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Bobz56 72M
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10/4/2014 8:29 am

Well, at least he got some positive recognition.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/4/2014 5:08 pm

Snowden was foolish, every nations is into information gathering,
If he had been smart in my estimation of what he thought he was doing, he would have parallel his information against other nations and he would have found that the parallels linked and the only differentiations as to what is gathered would be found in the country with the most sophisticated systems, capable of higher performance than other nations.

Because you can bet your entirety, if any other nation(s) had or have the upper levels of tech to gather data, they would and they do. Most nations leaders already know what they think of each other, what levels of trust they have or don't have of each other, and what they can and cannot share with integrity with others. That's the way of the world.

Anyone in any country who thinks their country is not a data gathering entity is either plain in denial or simply unaware to ponder the obvious.

Currently, Social Media and Marketing Site, as well as Banking probably know more about the average person, than they know about themselves.

We live in the "Age of Information".!!!! just what do people think that means, or what is it that people think it does not mean.

There is no such thing as Privacy, that is a faux usage of the term, what there is; is varying levels of confidentiality when it comes to information relative to the level that it deals with.
Privacy does not reside on anything Server Connected. If it did, there would be no such thing as Hackers gaining access.

Every Nation knows how to have a disconnected system without it going through a tremendous system of many lock outs.

Any Nation can shut down any sector of the transmission at any time they choose for what ever reasons they can label as justifiable.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/5/2014 8:22 am

Snowden's behavior is exactly the right choice or should be blamed or punished?

He thrust himself into precarious situation, with unknown consequences. Jail time may be the least of challenges his chosen position imposes within and upon himself.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/5/2014 12:21 pm

Then, Get two completely opposite answers to the questions; This is because the position is different!!

Yes, those who thirst for this type of info would favor him. Yet, many of those who do thirst for it, have skeletons in their own closet as well. It makes for good diversionary focus away from themselves in the open discussion about information gathering to focus on the folly of commentary and information from Snowden.

Again, we know all nations do it and they pay a large sum to engage in doing so.

I thought him to be an idiot ( An idiot = someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way. )
when he first did it, and I have not seen anything that changes my perception of him being an idiot.

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The political implications are grave. Snowden has given Beijing something it couldn't achieve on its own: moral equivalence. Now, China can portray itself as a victim, besieged by America, and simply trying to defend itself. Snowden's initial leaks on NSA programs also caused substantial political harm, above and beyond the intelligence damage. Several European governments which co-operated with the US are now predictably running for the tall grass, endangering the continuity of existing programs and damaging prospects for future co-operation. As with the Bradley Manning/WikiLeaks exposure of thousands of classified State Department and Pentagon cables, Europeans want to know why Washington can't protect sensitive information.

But Beijing does not deserve moral equivalence, given the intensity of its cyber-attacks against America. The key point is that China struck first.

By inaccurately elevating Beijing to moral equivalence with Washington, Snowden obscured this critical distinction, giving China political shelter.

But what Americans should understand most importantly is what the China leaks reveal about Snowden. If he is lying about these programs, as in some of his earlier assertions about NSA's eavesdropping, that tells us something important about his character. And if he is telling the truth, revealing sensitive information about American efforts to protect itself against the world's greatest cyber-warfare power, that tells us even more about his character.

NSA activities against China do not even arguably violate the privacy of US citizens, which is Snowden's supposedly highminded motive for initially breaking his word, dishonorably and deceitfully. In fact, Snowden's unilateral decision to leak endangers the national security of 300 million other Americans. He didn't ask their views or their permission, and he has no democratic legitimacy whatever.
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The term "Idiot" suits well to describe what his actions present him as being.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
10/6/2014 4:39 am

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Like within many nations, there are various factions who have their own agenda.
We the public don't know: (a). Snowden could be aligned with the Sovereign Citizen system, (b), He may have been a disgruntled employee, (c). He may have been one of the types who think he was not getting recognition he felt he wanted. (d). It's unlikely that he was unaware of the nature of the work, yet may well not know or care, that Information dumps have always existed. (e). It could be purely political, as many Right Winger will do anything to bring controversy to the Obama Presidency.
His claim, was America is data collecting on american citizens. But that could not have been his true agenda, because he disclosed info related to out International Partners. I would think his over-riding agenda may have more to do with trying to "embarrass the office of the President", to make it more difficult for him to engage Foreign Relations.