LynchburgLover 58M
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6/23/2015 1:16 am
Don't hate because of race and flags.


I do not hate anyone because of their race, color or what flag they fly.

The Imperial Japanese war flag was a symbol of hate because they bombed Pearl Harbor Hi but i see it as history not hate.

The Confederate flag is now being used as a symbol of hate when it mostly has to do with war history.

Some people hate the U.S. & United Kingdom flags because of the history.

We should not hate period of flags and people.

Live long and prosper ,Spock

If we say an eye for an eye the whole world would be blind ,M Gandhi

beyondfantasy3 113M
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6/23/2015 5:05 am

What are you talking about...... The Confederates Lost the war, which means, that flag which was a symbol of a group fighting to keep slavery as their way of life, It was part of not just keeping slavery but indentured servitude, white supremacy and all the elements that made up the Antebellum South. when the heck has a defeated group able to continue to fly a flag as if they seek to usurp the United States flags as an act of non surrender of the ideals, aims and goals of those who fought under that flag. That system was defeated!!!!

I doubt that Germany will fly the Nazi flag at their government building under any circumstance, no matter how covertly people would want to fly it as if to usurp and undermine the current German flag.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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6/23/2015 7:39 pm

A mass of what is dominance in population numbers of white in America never wanted to look deeper to grasp the understanding. They are quick to understand if they think they are slighted, mistreated, abused or any such thing, and they will talk about it until eternity. But they never wanted to hear the truths and reality of blacks. Today, you hear a lot about "bullying", that was a way of life for white people toward black people. Blacks were bullied for any and everything for 100's of years.
Just like this case in Charlotte, Blacks have been forgiving whites for 3+Centuries for the things they have done. Even when MLK was marching and getting beat, they still forgave white people, and MLK continued to speak of equality for ALL PERSONS, still they vilified and attacked him an any other blacks for years upon years. It took Federal Law to stop the madness upon and against black people, but still to this very day, there are still large volume white groups in this country, still fighting and refuse to relinquish their Racist views and their delusions of superiority.
They think money because it gives the means to do things make them better. But any group of people with money can accomplish things. The legacy of wealth many old money whites, currently enjoy has a long history tied to and traced back to profits gained from black labor.
America would never have outsourced everything it did, if there had never been Civil Rights Movement. But they were determined to remove as many means as possible to insure that limits on opportunity would be in place to prevent blacks from gaining widespread economic parity with whites. They did not care they weaken the nation and its economy, they fell the wealthy whites will remain wealthy and the poor whites would remain poor whites and the minorities would be limited in their ability to gain economic parity.
White upper establishment knew if black people gained economic parity, he the white man would not have anything to give him the delusion of superiority.

America has long known INDUSTRY BUILDS NATIONS, as well HE KNEW THAT SHIPPING AWAY INDUSTRY WILL DIMINISH THE CHANCE FOR MINORITIES TO GAIN THE ECONOMIC BALANCE EQUAL TO THAT OF WHITE PEOPLE.

You don't hear any Republican talking about Re-Industrialization of America, they attacked the jobs bill, they attacked banking reforms, and they attacked even the benefits given to poor whites and minorities when the jobs in this country was gone and unemployment was raging like a fire.
America has a long ways to go, Look at Outsourcing, they did not outsource anything to "Nations that have Predominantly Black people", but they not out outsourced to any non black populous nation and invested heavily to train the people as well.

When Rwanda was having its ethnic killing spree, America did not go there to intervene, but any white or any other ethnic people's nations they send 'billions upon billions" to try and promote the peace.
Any people from other nations can come to American, many can get grants, low interest home loans and business start up loans, such as what was given to the Cubans, Vietnamese and many others, but not to people who come from predominantly black nations.
American interned the Japanese, and then gave the Repatriations, but never any thought to repatriate black people for the centuries of abuse.

things are being exposed, both with the various police and the historical methodology they used, and much else will continue to be exposed.
Many whites know very little about the truths, because it was not written in the history books they are taught from.

Why does it take holding a mirror up to the violence before they consider to think about their conduct???


LynchburgLover replies on 6/24/2015 12:15 am:
Blacks who were freed were given a choice to stay in the U.S. or go back to Africa. Those who went back formed a country call Liberia, that is why the flag almost looks American.
Those who are in the business of making the Confederate flags are making more money because more hate is focused on the flag & banning it from some stores. There will be always someone who will sell the flag to make money because of the attention of HATE.

LynchburgLover 58M
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6/24/2015 12:00 am

we still shouldn't hate a flag because it gives it more attention.

Walmart, sams club , ebay stopping the sales of confederate flags has made the price go up, it will put many Chinese out of work because that is where most of them were made.

More hate feeds the evil.


LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/24/2015 12:23 am

I saw on FOX news that South African Government is upset that the shooter in SC wore a Old South African flags in some of his pictures on-line. Law is looking into that but note that many white Groups in S.A. are laying low on this one & not talking about this.

I'm dismayed that Obama used the dirty "N" word that is spoke a lot
in black culture.


beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
6/24/2015 3:59 am

What are you seeking ?, because if you are seeking for symbols of such divides to continue to exist, that is itself a problem.


LynchburgLover replies on 6/24/2015 9:52 am:
most people just ignore those things ,Just don't worry be happy.
The multi colored rainbow flag that gay people use offends Christians & Moslems But I just ignore it You don't see of those protesting it.
Censorship is wrong.
If you don't like a confederate flag just ignore it & maybe it might go away quietly. HATE goes both ways it's not just a black thing.

LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/24/2015 10:05 am

It parts of Asia i have seen pictures of gateways or old building that have swatstickers in the art work but no protest.

I also read on wikipedia that some U.S. marines from the south during W.W. 2 put up a Confederate flag on a castle on a captured Japanese island but 3-4 days later was lowered by a son of a confederate officer .
Free speech is for all not just some.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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6/24/2015 3:51 pm

    Quoting LynchburgLover:
    It parts of Asia i have seen pictures of gateways or old building that have swatstickers in the art work but no protest.

    I also read on wikipedia that some U.S. marines from the south during W.W. 2 put up a Confederate flag on a castle on a captured Japanese island but 3-4 days later was lowered by a son of a confederate officer .
    Free speech is for all not just some.
You COMPLETELY Missed the Point and you do so by choice to miss it.


LynchburgLover replies on 6/24/2015 10:12 pm:
Everyone has & gets a choice .

beyondfantasy3 113M
4740 posts
6/25/2015 5:39 am

No one is trying to bury history, the fact the Confederates LOST, is a big matter, they lost because of what their symbol stood for and the fight against their regime defeated that regime.
No conquered entity get's to fly its flag in a nation which defeated it. The continuation of those who want to fly the flag is a rebellious act that implies they will not submit to the defeat and will continue to push their ideology of supremacy and subjugation by any covert and overt means they can. This is subversive!!!!

Blacks who were freed were given a choice to stay in the U.S. or go back to Africa

This is ABSURD-- After 100's of years, Go back to where? when the white man did all he could over those 100's of years to demolish the language, cultural heritage and any knowledge of knowing where in Africa they came from in the roots of their lineage. Just dumping people in Africa with nothing, no means to re-connect and no awareness of the history of location or group connection is just another form of abuse. After killing million during the crossing of the Atlantic and upon the lands of America, destroyed many connection as well as the denial of their own language, the denial of right to continue education and pass it along was another tool used in slavery.
For a mass of whites who immigrated to America, claiming land that was not theirs by killing the natives, and every other atrocity imaginable, Then; wanting to claim America as being for whites only is another inhumane absurdity. When it was the Indians who taught the first settler how to survive, and they in-turn try to enslave and then kill off the same Indians who gave them assistance.

America was built by many non white people, via clearing the land, building the structures and putting in the labor, of which whites profited from, but was too avarice driven to share the prosperity with the non white people who made it possible.

We can vividly see why Nation like China, does not readily give up anything to the white man, because history has taught the Chinese Nation, that the limits of trust of the white man must be maintained; as the Chinese nations heritage leaders know all too well, that given too much leeway the white man will encroach without concern for the native people or historical lands and customs of the Chinese. The Atrocities the British inflicted upon China is a fact of history the Chinese Nation will never forget.
The Chinese build for Chinese people and the land of China, they are not going to sell off things for short term profits a process of which they have continually seen is the methodology of the white man, So they limit the white man from heading their Industries or gaining too much influence in their national business affairs, in order to preserve their industries for longevity and sustainability.

Many nation work to avoid the American White Man from gaining any dominance in their core industries, these nations include the Nordic Region as well, they are white but they don't cater to the American ideology of selling off their industry for short term gains. The many Nordic region as well, simply wait, and buy up what the greedy American sell, and thus control many investments in America as a result. Let none be unaware of the acts of the Nordic Regional People, because they brought many practices of horror to various lands over the span of their longevity.

CURRENTLY, All any aspiring nation has to do is wait, because eventually AmericanS will sell off any legacy industry built by the generations who came before and built those industry and business. all for Short Term Gains

In the past 60 years one once upon a time American white owned industry and business to the next has been and continue to be sold off to foreign nation investors, for the short term gains of the greed master who think of today with no concept of sustainability and longevity.
The Debt acquired by America is now off the charts with no stable industry to regain or repay those long standing debts. The reality will come to light, with the move to establish the Chinese currency as a Reserve Currency. The Ideology of White Supremacy has and continue to prove to be a legacy of Ignorance unparalleled in both social and economic realism. Living on that delusion has seen the downfall of America, because it failed to learn that white supremacy has continually brought destruction to many of the things which built this nation, is the same ideology that continues to lead to the downfall of America. Many nations watched as the ideals of supremacy saw the white man plunder, and stomp around the globe looking down on others and ultimately becoming indebted and in need of not only resources but everything that feeds and provides for American people is 'now" imported from the same nations it once looked down upon. The delusion of dominance has become inverted to be now a matter and level of 'dependence".

America as a whole simply needs to get rid of racism and the ideology that promoted and fueled racism, it can go on to become everything it claims it aims to be. Equality for All, and a melding of many people from many places, all capable and able to make great contribution to the continued development as one nation under God for All people.

When President Obama promoted the Ideal of Change - it was all inclusive, to rebuild this nation from the bottom up, not just in economics but social equality for all. Sadly, this was immediately attacked by the Right Wing factions and is still under attack by the Right Wing Factions who have continued to hold on to the Antebellum Ideology. They claim "Conservatism", which means, they want to conserve and preserve the ways of the Antebellum Ideology, of segregation, discrimination, and the delusion of white dominance and white supremacy. It's time for that sickness to go away and move on into a new era and a new ways in a new day.

President Obama equally so, pursued "diplomacy with World Nation, not the former methods of US dominance over and toward other nations, Again, by the Antebellum minded Right Winger, they considered it a weakness rather than seeing the humanity and strength of what is diplomacy, Sadly, because they the Right Wing think in terms of dominance and supremacy, rather than the good will of diplomacy. Trust buy verify, Work with but be with open eyes and open mind, forge ahead for peace and unity, not dominance and delusions of supremacy.

America does not need symbols of divide and the flags of a era that is no more and will not rise to dominate these United States nor to usurp the Constitution of these United State nor segregate its people.
Thankfully, at this crucial time, we have a President who is willing to work with the world, instead of trying to police the world.


LynchburgLover replies on 6/25/2015 8:32 am:
Obama has caused many racial issues during his terms with riots & hate for the law because it doesn't go his way.
He is like a spoiled brat.
As for China the PRC used to dependent on the USSR & was under communist Russian control until late 1960-1970's.
During the Bush years many people had jobs & there were no race riots until the democrats took over congress & things went south.
Many southerns were resentful of their treatment during Reconstruction.
After the civil war those who wanted to return to Africa were paid to do so on their own free will but many stayed here & some went to Africa to create the country of Liberia.

That was the same thing with Cuba which fell under Russian communist control that is why many Cubans still wait in Miami for the day when they can go home to a free Cuba.

If you want to live in a country where you don't want to see the confederate flag try North Korea.

We live in a country where even bad speech or options are protected & free.

LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/25/2015 8:48 am

Well I just saw a story in which the value of the confederate flag has gone up ,many people in the south are quietly going out & buying the flags for fear that some will try to banned them like guns.

The confederate flag is protected under the 1st amendment as free speech just like the gun is with the 2nd.

I have read Dr. Micheal Savage book about the coming Second civil war it sounds like there will be more hate to the point where there will be no law & order.

Hate of people & objects is not the way to go.


LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/26/2015 1:30 am

Did anyone goto 150 year anniversary of Lee's surrender in Appomattox Court house in VA?

Everyone enjoyed it & got along with everyone.

There was peace & no hate.


LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/26/2015 10:48 pm

Nascar only bans the track owners from displaying it in the stands at races but at a race last week in the infield some fans still flew the flags from their campers.
You won't see many at the race in California because those fans don't go out to California which is too far from the south.
SCV did not want to protest against those who want to ban the flag out of respect for those 9 who were killed by a sick mentally ill boy until all were laid to rest, in a statement they released they stated that next week they are planing something to save the flag.

I hope they're will be no violence.
Free speech to all.
To all Good night.


LynchburgLover 58M
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6/26/2015 10:51 pm

    Quoting  :

Well forgot to mention that this sick killer also wore a old South African flag during the 1980's era.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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6/27/2015 6:10 am

    Quoting MissVixen415:
    Mr. LynchburgLover please just stop. I understand you started this to show love and bring everyone together. But you ultimately failed when you have no clue about American history or Asian History. If you have to cite things from Wiki, that is a problem.

    That flag is a symbol of HATE... No matter how hard you try to justify it. When you said, "Upsurge of racism that has hit the country" I almost threw my laptop. You are very ignorant, and know nothing of what you are speaking about.

    I bet you don't even believe in systematic racism do you? I bet not. In the future before you bring up a topic PLEASE know what you are speaking about before posting.

    Oh and as far as Obama using the N-word, he said it to make a point, but of course I'm sure you didn't even listen to the whole podcast.
Thank you, MissVixen415. The obnoxious continuous utterance of LynchburgLover and his aim to justify and uphold the Confederate Flag, because deep inside of himself he still has that delusion to think the Confederates had a right to engage slavery and has no consideration or respect toward the blacks who endured the torture, abuse, misuse and unspeakable horrors, as he still has that delusional underlying support of the sickness of thinking in white supremacist ignorance.
White history book has filled his head with the ongoing madness of wanting to proclaims whites had a right to enslave and be abusive to others... Then he wants to talk about peace and unity.... to try to appease the women here, but he forgot these women are not ignorant and they are not unaware and they do understand what is abuse and hatred.


beyondfantasy3 113M
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6/27/2015 12:51 pm

There must be a balance in power between the state & the federal government.
Also a war between the Rich north & the Poor south.


Absurd... one the State Rights cannot and should not trump Federal Rights - This is THE UNITED STATES, No state should have the right to usurp the Federal System that is responsible for All states within the United (Union) of States.

Also a war between the Rich north & the Poor south: FALSE Again, the South was wealthy off the backs of slaves, and Cotton dominated with 2/3 of the Nations Production came from the South. Therefore the claim of the South as poor is a fallacy during these times.

AFTER the CIVIL WAR: The South became poor when whites did not want to pay for labor, and were too lazy to produce and harvest crops themselves, once they no longer had slaves, they chose to cease their plantation production if they could not get it done with"slave labor" from black people, The whites REFUSED to pay black people a living wage. The white man then tried Share Cropping, but quickly SWINDLED the share croppers until they no longer wanted to be share croppers because the system was built to ripping and striping of all they labored for, to treat them as if they as near to slaves or were indentured servant and resulted to leave them owing debt after all their labor and harvest which was not paid a quality rate for what they produced.

Here's a passage from MLK's speech at Selma.

"it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low."
_________

"If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. He gave him Jim Crow. And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings. And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow"


The black man embraced Jesus, and in holding fast to the truth of the Lord, continued to pursue a civil society of equality for all, and still he was attacked by the white man for doing so.

When these flags were raised in the 1960's at capital building, it was in direct attack and against the concept and though of social equality and a signal they would fight in their hearts and minds against any concept of equality, with attitude, violence, denied opportunity and any other means they could, and the flag united them under the same vile ideologies of which the Confederates Fought.


LynchburgLover replies on 6/28/2015 11:09 pm:
Oh yes the flags were put up by the democrat party which also was the party of the KKK.

Most of the C Flags on state property are being taken down by Republican Governors.
I saw where Sean Hannity not only said if you ban the C flag you need to ban music because it is hateful.

LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
6/28/2015 11:17 pm

Found on E-bay that you can't buy a confederate flag but you can buy Kingdom of Italy & Imperial Japanese war flags.
Not that I would want to buy that stuff.
The Internet is full of companies that sell alot of flags.
A Company in the UK will sell a Nazi flag.

Well I getting tired of this & think it's time to move on to other things since people will forget this by next week or so.

Now it time to talk about Shark attacks.


LynchburgLover 58M
85 posts
8/10/2015 8:12 am

Here is something to note since i moved on from this.
They took down 1 flag in Danville, VA & the week after Flag supporters & including some blacks put up 5-6 flags all over Danville, VA on private land by the highways.